22 May 2011 development release

[Magnate]

Bug:

I accidentally tripped a summoning trap. The game then gave me the following message: 'Effect not handled.' I did not notice anything not working, but the message should probably not be...

Got it - thanks. There was a "break" where there should have been a "return". Fixed for the next nightly.

[Antoine]

It's great to see the work on level feelings

A.

[kaypy]

@kaypy: not necessarily. How good was it, how deep, and how far out-of-depth?

I don't know, seemed pretty powerful, although not really geared to my character...

Power 287 according to the logs, found at l22

Artifact index is 109
the Glaive of Larnend (2d6) (+16,+31) [+9] <+2>
Object is deemed known
Object flags are:
WIS
CHR
SPEED
SLAY_ANIMAL
SLAY_EVIL
SLAY_ORC
SLAY_TROLL
KILL_DRAGON
KILL_UNDEAD
RES_LIGHT
RES_CHAOS
SEE_INVIS
IGNORE_ACID
IGNORE_ELEC
IGNORE_FIRE
IGNORE_COLD
BLESSED
HIDE_TYPE
SHOW_MODS
HATES_ACID
HATES_FIRE
SHOW_DICE
Slay multiplier for: animalsx2 evil creaturesx2 orcsx3 trollsx3 dragonsx5 undeadx5 
sv is: 11625033
 and t_m_p is: 4977867 
times 1000 is: 609
Adding power from to_dam, total is 77
Adding 17 power for dam dice
After multiplying power for might, total is 94
Adjusted for slay power, total is 133
Adding power for to hit, total is 157
Adding power for to_ac of 9, total is 166
Adding power for WIS, total is 176
Adding power for CHR, total is 180
Adding power for SPEED, total is 220
Adding power for RES_LIGHT, total is 226
Adding power for RES_CHAOS, total is 246
Adding power for SEE_INVIS, total is 252
Adding power for IGNORE_ACID, total is 255
Adding power for IGNORE_ELEC, total is 256
Adding power for IGNORE_FIRE, total is 259
Adding power for IGNORE_COLD, total is 260
Adding power for BLESSED, total is 261
Adding power for pval total of 32, total is 261
Adding power for multiple normal slays, total is 271
Adding power for multiple x5 slays, total is 279
Adding power for multiple high resists, total is 287
Adding power for item activation, total is 287
FINAL POWER IS 287

[jens]

Level feelings are definitely too low, at least at low dlvls.

I dutifully stairscummed for a bit to get a feel for the feelings, got a variation of the three lowest on both, until after a while I got this at dlvl 12:

You feel nervous about this place, and you have a very good feeling...

The best I've seen, so I decided to explore. I met some OoD monsters and some OK stuff, and then I found a Greater Vault:

Greater vault
N:45:The Bank From Hell
31 OoD monsters
- Knight Templar, Shardstorm, Master vampire, Mature white dragon, Young multihued dragon, etc.

I did battle with the vault (but skipped the room with the real goodies) and found
- Thengel, Battle axe of Venom, shield of Resist Cold, Cestus, leather of Restist Lightning, plus various enchanted objects.

Including 3 savefiles (1, when I arrive at the level, 2 when I found the vault, 3 when I have cleared the vault)

[jens]

Level feelings

If the power calculations you are using are similar to the ones in the spreadsheet at (http://www.terminalarrogance.com/mon_pwr.xls) then one real problem is that those power levels are qubic in dlvl for many of the levels. In your code you divide it with dlvl, a factor that is linear in dlvl. There is no way that it can give similar results over the whole dungeon.

Some suggestions, and all of them are unrelated, so if you dismiss one of them, please still consider the rest...

Suggestion 1: Lower the thresholds, and increase the divisor to dlvl*dlvl (but maybe removing the division by 20).


Suggestion 2: Lower the number of feelings
Previously we had 9 feelings (excluding special and stairscuming)
Now we have 81 feelings (9 mon * 9 obj). I suggest we reduce that to 16 = 4 mon * 4 obj.

Then the formulas only need to check if a level is: Below average, about average, above average, way above average. for both monster and object feelings, which would be easier to get right, and would be easier for players to distinguish.


Suggestion 3: Another algorithm for feelings
Run some stat collection, determine average power levels for each level (for both monsters and objects), including stdev. Hardcode two tables with these values (or have them in a text file), and then use the values at the given dlvl and the stdev to determine what the feelings should be.
Problems: More work intitially. Would need to rerun the stat collection whenever major changes have been made, maybe every major release.
Upside: Would work very well when in place.

[kaypy]

As well as seeing stuff that doesn't seem to be triggering feelings properly, I am starting to think that there is something screwy with the OOD items mechanism- either that or the RNG wants to have my characters' babies.

Lets see, _Magi, _Dispel (at least that gave a feeling, but dl2??), 287 power artifact (that's more than the palantir-alike for my radarts). I was going to add ?Acquire, but apparently that is supposed to turn up all over the place these days.

_*destruct*,...

[kaypy]

Shards do not appear to cause cuts at the moment

Might just be Earth hounds. They appear to try to run the timed effect, but with duration 0

Ah, the shards cut effect appears to have a base duration of 0d100

list-spell-effects.h should have

RSE(5,	0,				GF_SHARD,	TRUE,	TMD_CUT,		RV(0,0,0,0),	RV(0,[COLOR="DarkOrange"]1[/COLOR],100,0),	0,		FALSE,	0,				RV(5,125,0,0))

[Magnate]

If the power calculations you are using are similar to the ones in the spreadsheet at (http://www.terminalarrogance.com/mon_pwr.xls) then one real problem is that those power levels are qubic in dlvl for many of the levels. In your code you divide it with dlvl, a factor that is linear in dlvl. There is no way that it can give similar results over the whole dungeon.

Some suggestions, and all of them are unrelated, so if you dismiss one of them, please still consider the rest...

Suggestion 1: Lower the thresholds, and increase the divisor to dlvl*dlvl (but maybe removing the division by 20).

This. Thank you for pointing it out - I had noticed that the monster feelings were far less well distributed than the object feelings, and this is the reason.

Your third suggestion is good, but further off. I am working with myshkin on some really serious improvements to stats, after which it might be possible.

[Magnate]

Shards do not appear to cause cuts at the moment

Might just be Earth hounds. They appear to try to run the timed effect, but with duration 0

Ah, the shards cut effect appears to have a base duration of 0d100

No, the *first* RV is the base duration. The second is the damage-dependent duration, so it should be 1d(100% of the damage number). But your fix is correct- it does need the 1 in the second field of the second RV. Thanks for the catch - it'll be fixed in the next dev version.

[Max Stats]

Assert failed

Got this message in a fairly recent nightly. I tried pulling the latest nightly and seeing if it was still there, and it was:

angband: cave.c:837: map_info: Assertion `(int)g->m_idx < cave->mon_max' failed.

Savefile attached.

EDIT: I got the error by casting Detection.

[kaypy]

If something out of view uses a spell or breath, you get the anonymous message. However, if you can see yourself, you should know what the attack was.

"Something breathes. You are hit by something." is a bit *too* anonymous, unless the player is completely blind.

[Antoine]

"Something breathes. You are hit by something." is a bit *too* anonymous, unless the player is completely blind.

Could be worse. "It does something! It hurts!"

A.

[kaypy]

A variety of items seem a little more flammable than I'd expect

Gauntlets, Mithril Gauntlets, and maybe the various metal shod boots could probably use the IGNORE_FIRE tag

[Timo Pietilä]

A variety of items seem a little more flammable than I'd expect

Gauntlets, Mithril Gauntlets, and maybe the various metal shod boots could probably use the IGNORE_FIRE tag

I just thought the same. I just lost Mithril gauntlets of Agility +5 to plasma vortex blast because I didn't pick it up (didn't have inventory space, had still three scrolls of ID to burn to the loot from previous fight and one still un-pseudo-ID weapon that was highly unlikely to be better than what I was using at the moment in inventory). I thought that it is immune to fire, but it wasn't.

[Magnate]

If something out of view uses a spell or breath, you get the anonymous message. However, if you can see yourself, you should know what the attack was.

"Something breathes. You are hit by something." is a bit *too* anonymous, unless the player is completely blind.

This is a bug. The second part of the message should only be generic if @ is blind. I will look into this - thanks.