Level feelings, yeah, again

[Derakon]

TRAMPLING needs to be done away with. I don't see how TRAMPLING by any mob improves the game. Have you seen the nastiness a Blubbering Icky Thing can do? (my humble opinion) U-pits would be much better w/out the Trampling. I saw poor Grishnakh trampled once, fortunately, since he's a unique, he got to come back.

Uniques should be immune to trampling, so that's odd.

Personally I like trampling; it's a neat bit of flavor. I could support monsters in pits/vaults being immune to it though.

(I kinda also want items in vaults to be immune to being trampled by that gosh-darn air elemental, but I doubt people would go for that)

[Timo Pietilä]

Uniques should be immune to trampling, so that's odd.

They are not. I have seen in many cases now Q unique getting trampled over by summoned giant unique (unique hunting using unique summoner as method).

[Spacebux]

Personally I like trampling; it's a neat bit of flavor. (I kinda also want items in vaults to be immune to being trampled by that gosh-darn air elemental, but I doubt people would go for that)

Well, I don't think unique items can be trampled...
But, trampling of mobs just needs to stop. I don't have any issue with mobs pushing past other mobs...

If it's just me, I know how to edit the files to make it a personalized option.

[Derakon]

Artifacts are untramplable, yeah, but not stat potions, dungeon spellbooks, scrolls of Destruction, and the like...

[PowerDiver]

Well, I don't think unique items can be trampled...
But, trampling of mobs just needs to stop. I don't have any issue with mobs pushing past other mobs...

If it's just me, I know how to edit the files to make it a personalized option.

The edit files are pretty easy to guess at. You just need to look and get a feel. The first monster that tramples that comes to mind is blubbering icky thing. Looking at the entry, the obvious word is KILL_BODY. Just be careful that when you remove a flag, you have to remove the or bar '|' as well or the entire line if it was the only flag on the line.

[edit]Clueless me, you probably don't want just to remove KILL_BODY, but rather replace it with MOVE_BODY.

[Taha]

Fairly sure unique trampling was changed because we were getting silly things like Fang getting in the way of Morgoth getting to you. Maybe not quite that degree, but that type of thing. Maybe there ought to be a larger large level discrepancy before it can happen, or keep protecting everything deeper than level 80.

Mob trampling is an entertaining part of the game, using a blubbering icky thing to protect your low level mage from a horde of orcs is fun. Its just another possible strategy in a special case. And the idea that a low level demon can be destroyed by the high level demon it summoned is very genre appropriate.
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[Derakon]

I'd say that if the concern is using chump uniques as roadblocks, then KILL_BODY turns into MOVE_BODY where uniques are concerned.

[Spacebux]

The edit files are pretty easy to guess at. You just need to look and get a feel. The first monster that tramples that comes to mind is blubbering icky thing. Looking at the entry, the obvious word is KILL_BODY. Just be careful that when you remove a flag, you have to remove the or bar '|' as well or the entire line if it was the only flag on the line.

[edit]Clueless me, you probably don't want just to remove KILL_BODY, but rather replace it with MOVE_BODY.

Yeah, MOVE_BODY is what I'm looking to replace it with. Thanks.