YACD - HE ranger - grinding time?

**Pete Mack** · March 6, 2011, 22:09

Why troll for uniques? You should be trolling for Demons!

**PowerDiver** · March 6, 2011, 22:19

Originally posted by ChodTheWacko

I guess I'm just basically waiting for a killer weapon now right? (preferably a bow I guess)
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u) The Blade of Chaos 'Valerch' (6d5) (+5,+12) (+3)
Found lying on the floor at 4600 feet (level 92).

+3 dexterity, attack speed.
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You've got a suitable weapon. You need to improve your kit for some melee bonuses. Find a way to replace the ring of con with a ring of acid and most uniques including S are toast. You'll want damage or slaying or an artifact ring vs M.

**Timo Pietilä** · March 7, 2011, 12:25

I would consider Lionwe & Duivie combo. You lose chaos, but gain sound, and stunning attacks are more common than chaos attacks and just as powerful.

Also that gives you second rConf source allowing possibility to change your helmet in case you get poison resist from some other source practical source.

Bad luck with shield and bow. Keep an eye for Lothlorien bows, they are very very good for ranger and might have useful ability like ESP.

**ChodTheWacko** · March 24, 2011, 05:39

Well, my last character got killed because I'm an idiot and got breathed on by something.

Anyway, my new character is even better (?) and I killed Sauron for the first time. I have a couple of questions:

1) 700 vs evil - should be plenty to Melee morgoth right? I haven't found much in terms of slay evil ammo. This ranger has hardly used any ranged attacks at all.
2) I've been at 100% saving throw for a while but i still sometimes get blinded or confused. Is that a bug?
3) Anything I am missing?

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  [Angband 3.2.0 Character Dump]

 Name   scrunge_I                                Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Sex    Female       Age            121   STR! 18/100  +1  +2 +14 18/***
 Race   High-Elf     Height         104   INT! 18/100  +3  +2  +7 18/***
 Class  Ranger       Weight         187   WIS! 18/100  -1  +0 +12 18/210
 Title  Ranger Lord  Social      Feared   DEX! 18/100  +3  +1  +0 18/140
 HP     1034/1034    Maximize         Y   CON! 18/100  +1  +1 +14 18/***
 SP     288/288                           CHR! 18/100  +5  +1 +11 18/***

 Level               50   Armor   [31,+115]     Saving Throw        100%
 Cur Exp       10763010   Fight   (+52,+67)     Stealth        Excellent
 Max Exp       10763010   Melee   (+60,+77)     Fighting       Legendary
 Adv Exp       ********   Shoot   (+69,+10)     Shooting       Legendary
 MaxDepth   4950' (L99)   Blows    5.0/turn     Disarming            96%
 Game Turns     1666541   Shots      3/turn     Magic Device         115
 Standard Turns  276370   Infra       40 ft     Perception        1 in 1
 Resting Turns   167731   Speed          20     Searching            72%
 Gold            351974   Burden  168.9 lbs

 You are the only child of a Telerin Ranger.  You have light grey eyes,
 straight black hair, and a fair complexion.



rAcid:..+...+....+. rConf:........+....
rElec:..+..+....... Sound:.............
rFire:..+..+....... Shard:.............
rCold:..+..+....... Nexus:+............
rPois:.+.....+..... Nethr:..+..........
rFear:.++.+....+... Chaos:..+....+.....
rLite:+......+....+ Disen:....+...+....
rDark:+.+.......... S.Dig:.......+.....
rBlnd:..+.......... Feath:..+..........

Light:.......+..... Aggrv:.......+..+..
Regen:..+........+. Stea.:.+...........
  ESP:.........+... Sear.:..+..+.......
Invis:.......+....+ Infra:............+
FrAct:.+..+........ Tunn.:.............
HLife:........+.... Speed:......++...+.
ImpHP:............. Blows:.............
ImpSP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.+...........


  [Character Equipment]

a) The Awl-Pike of Felbel (6d8) (+8,+10) [+6] (+2)
     Dropped by Kavlax the Many-Headed at 4750 feet (level 95).
     
     +2 intelligence.
     Slays evil creatures, trolls, giants, dragons.
     *Slays* undead.
     Provides resistance to light, dark, nexus.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     Combat info:
     5.0 blows/round.
     Average damage/round: 701 vs. evil creatures, 855 vs. trolls, 855
     vs. giants, 855 vs. dragons, 1162.5 vs. undead, and 547 vs.
     others.
     
b) The Short Bow of Calien (x3) (+17,+10) (+1)
     Dropped by a Young blue dragon at 2850 feet (level 57).
     
     +1 stealth, shooting power.
     Provides resistance to poison, fear.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
c) The Ring of Galquen (+14,+17) (+5)
     Dropped by Sauron, the Sorcerer at 4950 feet (level 99).
     
     +5 strength, intelligence, wisdom, constitution, charisma.
     +25% to searching.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, fear, dark,
     blindness, nether, chaos.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling.  Speeds regeneration.  
     
     When aimed, it allows you to breathe lightning for 100 damage.
     Takes 441 to 594 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 90.0%
     
d) a Ring of Damage (+0,+14)
     
e) an Amulet of Weaponmastery (+3,+3) (+3)
     Dropped by Hoarmurath of Dir at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     +3 strength.
     Provides resistance to fear, disenchantment.
     Sustains strength, constitution.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
f) The Palantir of Haraduin (+4)
     Dropped by a Great Hell Wyrm at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     +4 strength, wisdom, constitution.
     +20% to searching.
     Provides resistance to lightning, fire, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When activated, it maps the entire level and detects nearby
     objects, traps, doors, and stairs.
     Takes 153 to 300 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 92.4%
     
     Radius 3 light.
g) Black Dragon Scale Mail of Speed [16,+25] (+7)
     Conjured forth by magic at 4900 feet (level 98).
     
     +7 speed.
     Provides resistance to acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
h) The Fur Cloak 'Arnivin' (+8,+5) [3,+21] (+3)
     Found lying on the floor at 3400 feet (level 68).
     
     +3 constitution, charisma, speed.
     Provides resistance to poison, light, chaos.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains dexterity.
     Slows your metabolism.  Grants the ability to see invisible
     things.  Aggravates creatures nearby.  
     
     When aimed, it creates a fire ball with damage 144.
     Takes 270 to 330 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 96.9%
     
     Radius 1 light.
i) a Small Metal Shield of Preservation [5,+22]
     Dropped by Akhorahil the Blind at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     Provides resistance to confusion, disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains strength, dexterity, constitution.
     Sustains your life force.  
     
j) an Iron Crown of Lordliness [0,+11] (+3)
     Dropped by a Dread at 4800 feet (level 96).
     
     +3 wisdom, charisma.
     Provides resistance to fear.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains wisdom, charisma.
     Grants telepathy.  
     
k) a Set of Caestus of Combat (+3,+8) [5,+10] (+2)
     Dropped by a Mature multi-hued dragon at 4800 feet (level 96).
     
     +2 strength, constitution.
     Aggravates creatures nearby.  
     
l) The Pair of Leather Boots of Neledhel [2,+11] (+10)
     Found lying on the floor at 4900 feet (level 98).
     
     +10 speed.
     Provides resistance to acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Speeds regeneration.  
     
     When aimed, it creates a frost bolt with damage 12d8.
     Takes 171 to 189 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 96.1%
     


  [Character Quiver]

n) 9 Mithril Arrows of Acid (3d4) (+10,+8)
     Bought from a store.
     
     Branded with acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 491.1 vs. creatures not resistant to acid,
     and 245.4 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
o) 4 Seeker Arrows of Venom (4d4) (+9,+7)
     Dropped by a Marilith at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     Branded with venom.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 515.1 vs. creatures not resistant to poison,
     and 257.4 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
p) 6 Seeker Arrows of Venom (4d4) (+9,+8)
     Found in a chest from 4900 feet (level 98).
     
     Branded with venom.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 534.3 vs. creatures not resistant to poison,
     and 267 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
q) 24 Seeker Arrows of Frost (4d4) {splendid}
     Found lying on the floor at 4900 feet (level 98).
     
     You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
     Branded with frost.
     Cannot be harmed by cold.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 429.3 vs. creatures not resistant to cold,
     and 214.5 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
r) 24 Seeker Arrows of Wounding (4d4) (+12,+10)
     Dropped by a Young blue dragon at 4900 feet (level 98).
     
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 288.9.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
s) (nothing)
t) (nothing)
u) (nothing)
v) (nothing)
w) (nothing)


  [Character Inventory]

a) 3 Books of Magic Spells [Magic for Beginners]
     
b) 3 Books of Magic Spells [Conjurings and Tricks]
     
c) 3 Books of Magic Spells [Incantations and Illusions]
     
d) 3 Books of Magic Spells [Sorcery and Evocations]
     
e) a Book of Magic Spells [Resistances of Scarabtarices]
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
f) 2 Books of Magic Spells [Mordenkainen's Escapes]
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
g) a Book of Magic Spells [Tenser's Transformations]
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
h) a Book of Magic Spells [Kelek's Grimoire of Power]
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
i) 6 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
     
j) 6 Potions of Healing
     
k) 14 Scrolls of Teleport Level
     Bought from a store.
     
     
l) 2 Rods of Teleport Other
     
m) The Elfstone of Arodris (+3)
     Dropped by a Young red dragon at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     +3 strength, intelligence, dexterity, charisma.
     Provides immunity to acid.
     Provides resistance to lightning, fire, cold, poison, fear, dark.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When aimed, it creates a fire ball with damage 144.
     Takes 270 to 330 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 94.2%
     
n) The Hard Leather Armour of Maerechil (+5,+5) [16,+10]
     Dropped by a Hezrou at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     Provides immunity to acid.
     Provides resistance to lightning, fire, cold, poison, nexus.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Speeds regeneration.  Prevents paralysis.  
     
o) a Cloak of the Magi [1,+14] (+2)
     Dropped by a Dread at 4800 feet (level 96).
     
     +2 intelligence, stealth.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     Sustains intelligence.
     Grants telepathy.  
     
p) The Set of Gauntlets of Rangor [3,+15] (+5)
     Found lying on the floor at 4450 feet (level 89).
     
     +5 strength, constitution, infravision.
     Provides resistance to chaos.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains charisma.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
q) The Set of Gauntlets of Varnor [3,+20] (+4)
     Found lying on the floor at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     +4 strength, dexterity, constitution, charisma, infravision.
     Provides resistance to fire, cold, light, nexus, disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Slows your metabolism.  Prevents paralysis.  
     
r) a Long Bow of Extra Might (x4) (+21,+22) (+1)
     Found lying on the floor at 4950 feet (level 99).
     
     +1 shooting power.
     


  [Home Inventory]

a) 12 Potions of *Healing*
     
     It can be thrown at creatures with damaging effect.
     
b) 2 Potions of Life
     
     It can be thrown at creatures with damaging effect.
     
c) 2 Potions of Restore Mana
     
d) 14 Potions of Speed
     
e) 3 Potions of Heroism
     
f) 25 Scrolls of Deep Descent
     
g) 2 Rods of Healing
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
h) a Rod of Restoration
     Found lying on the floor at 3350 feet (level 67).
     
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
i) a Ring of Speed (+11)
     Found lying on the floor at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     +11 speed.
     
j) a Ring of Damage (+0,+14)
     
k) an Amulet of ESP (+4)
     Found lying on the floor at 4650 feet (level 93).
     
     +20% to searching.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Grants telepathy.  
     
l) The Amulet of Nauglin (+4)
     Found lying on the floor at 3400 feet (level 68).
     
     +4 strength, wisdom, charisma.
     +20% to searching.
     Provides resistance to fear, dark, nether.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
     When activated, it turns your skin to stone briefly, which grants
     an extra 40AC but slows you down.
     Takes 123 to 135 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 93.6%
     
m) The Necklace 'Findir' (+4)
     Found lying on the floor at 4450 feet (level 89).
     
     +4 intelligence, speed.
     Provides resistance to cold, blindness, nexus.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains wisdom.
     Slows your metabolism.  
     
     When activated, it restores your experience.
     Takes 195 to 216 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 95.2%
     
n) The White Dragon Scale Mail 'Forelduin' (-2) [14,+22]
     Found lying on the floor at 4450 feet (level 89).
     
     Provides resistance to acid, cold, light, confusion, nexus,
     nether.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
o) The Law Dragon Scale Mail of Gothil (-2) [36,+30] (+3)
     Dropped by The Witch-King of Angmar at 4900 feet (level 98).
     
     +3 charisma, speed.
     Provides resistance to fear, sound, shards.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
p) The Balance Dragon Scale Mail of Hangor (-2) [50,+17] (+3)
     Found lying on the floor at 4800 feet (level 96).
     
     +3 wisdom.
     Provides resistance to light, dark, sound, shards, chaos,
     disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains strength.
     
     When activated, it detects doors and stairs nearby.
     Takes 147 to 162 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 97.6%
     
q) a Leather Shield of Elvenkind [8,+6] (+2 stealth)
     Bought from a store.
     
     +2 stealth.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, sound.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
r) The Iron Crown 'Rildor' [0,+15] (+3)
     Found lying on the floor at 4800 feet (level 96).
     
     +3 intelligence, wisdom, charisma.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, poison, fear, blindness,
     confusion.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling.  Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see
     invisible things.  
     
     Radius 1 light.
s) The Iron Helm of Tilmagdun [7,+21] (+3)
     Dropped by a Dreadlord at 4800 feet (level 96).
     
     +3 intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution.
     Provides resistance to fire, cold, disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Slows your metabolism.  Feather Falling.  Grants the ability to
     see invisible things.  
     
     Radius 1 light.
t) The Set of Caestus of Esgaegos (+1,+5) [5,+18] (+4)
     Dropped by a Black pudding at 4650 feet (level 93).
     
     +4 strength, dexterity.
     It causes your melee attacks to slay undead.
     Provides resistance to fear, sound.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Slows your metabolism.  Prevents paralysis.  
     
     Radius 1 light.
u) The Dagger of Hantarch (1d4) (+25,+13) [+2] (+3)
     Found lying on the floor at 4950 feet (level 99).
     
     +3 strength, intelligence, constitution, charisma.
     Slays evil creatures, dragons.
     *Slays* demons, undead.
     Branded with acid, frost.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, dark.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling.  
     
     When activated, it restores 5000 hit points, restores experience
     and stats, heals cut damage, and cures stunning, poison,
     blindness, and confusion.
     Takes 516 to 756 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 94.7%
     
     Combat info:
     5.0 blows/round.
     Average damage/round: 434.5 vs. evil creatures, 448.5 vs. dragons,
     448.5 vs. creatures not resistant to acid, 448.5 vs. creatures not
     resistant to cold, 476 vs. demons, 476 vs. undead, and 421 vs.
     others.
     
v) The Short Sword of Uldain (5d7) (+11,+13) [+8] (+2)
     Found lying on the floor at 4450 feet (level 89).
     
     +2 strength, intelligence.
     Slays undead, trolls, giants.
     *Slays* demons.
     Provides immunity to lightning.
     Provides resistance to fear, light, nether.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling.  Prevents paralysis.  
     
     When activated, it restores your wisdom.
     Takes 195 to 216 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 97.9%
     
     Combat info:
     5.0 blows/round.
     Average damage/round: 737.5 vs. undead, 737.5 vs. trolls, 737.5
     vs. giants, 957.5 vs. demons, and 517.5 vs. others.
     
w) The Great Axe of Goldur (5d4) (+12,+21) (+5)
     Dropped by a Great Wyrm of Balance at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     +5 strength, intelligence, constitution.
     Slays evil creatures, orcs.
     *Slays* dragons.
     Provides immunity to fire.
     Provides resistance to fear, light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     When aimed, it creates a large frost ball with damage 200.
     Takes 318 to 390 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 96.1%
     
     Combat info:
     5.0 blows/round.
     Average damage/round: 603.5 vs. evil creatures, 676 vs. orcs, 821
     vs. dragons, and 531 vs. others.
     
x) a Mace of Disruption of Venom (5d8) (+12,+10)
     Dropped by Khaműl, the Black Easterling at 4850 feet (level 97).
     
     Slays undead.
     Branded with venom.
     
     Combat info:
     4.7 blows/round.
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 5.0 blows
     Average damage/round: 786.3 vs. undead, 786.3 vs. creatures not
     resistant to poison, and 516.4 vs. others.

**Derakon** · March 24, 2011, 06:25

With blindness and confusion resistance, you should never get blinded or confused. You can still get stunned or made to hallucinate though.

630/round is plenty for taking on Morgoth in melee. However, your bow plus your arrows of wounding can deal up to 1617 damage in the same timespan; the branded arrows won't get their brands but they'll still deal plenty of damage. You're a ranger; use your bow. It's way more powerful than melee, not to mention safer.

Ideally you'd have more mana potions, but you have enough healing. I'd also have stockpiled all the scrolls of Destruction I'd found all game, since they're the perfect no-fail escape for when a fight absolutely has to end right now.

Use mana for teleport other, destruction, and banishment, in that order. Destruction will ditch summons nicely; just make sure Morgy's not in the blast radius. Fighting in a destructed area is also often helpful. Don't let Morgy close to melee range if you can manage it; his melee strikes are beastly.

**Timo Pietilä** · March 24, 2011, 08:25

Originally posted by Derakon

With blindness and confusion resistance, you should never get blinded or confused. You can still get stunned or made to hallucinate though.

630/round is plenty for taking on Morgoth in melee. However, your bow plus your arrows of wounding can deal up to 1617 damage in the same timespan;

I'd use that longbow of extra might which is in his inventory for that.

I get roughly 1300 points, how did you come up to 1617 points? There is no ammo multiplier he can use, only shots and weapon multiplier.

((288,9 indicated by dump / 3 to remove weapon multiplier) + 12 add difference ) * 4 * 3
---
You don't have much gear to deal with summons. You need fail-proof method of getting out of the way, which means phase door scrolls (earthquake can stun you, you can't rely on spells). I'd collect mass-banishments and banishment scrolls and maybe *destruction* to get rid of summons after teleporting M away.

*Healing* should be plenty, but you also need to be hasted at all times. That means either spell or potions. Don't go fighting right after satisfy hunger, you don't want to get gorged during combat.

**Derakon** · March 24, 2011, 15:23

Chod decided to modify the dump four minutes after I posted my advice, swapping the bow out for that artifact bow that's worse in every way except that it provides stealth, and thus changing the damage listing on his ammo. The ammo of wounding used to deal 539.1 damage/shot with 3 shots/round, which is where my damage/round value came from.

**Timo Pietilä** · March 24, 2011, 15:43

Originally posted by Derakon

Chod decided to modify the dump four minutes after I posted my advice, swapping the bow out for that artifact bow that's worse in every way except that it provides stealth, and thus changing the damage listing on his ammo. The ammo of wounding used to deal 539.1 damage/shot with 3 shots/round, which is where my damage/round value came from.

Accuracy seem to have surprisingly high impact on damage value in bows. If you count raw damage you get (4d4 + 10 + 22) * 4 * 3 which is only 504. Actually that doesn't make sense. Even with every shot hit and making critical hits you still make only 1000 or so damage.

Bug? Shooter damage calculation gives wrong results. Or does that count shooter as / whole player turn combining all three shots and not / shot (then it would make sense).

**Derakon** · March 24, 2011, 16:15

Oh hey, it does say "damage/round" in the character dump. So maybe it is taking extra shots into account. Kinda weird if you ask me.

**Timo Pietilä** · March 24, 2011, 16:31

Originally posted by Derakon

Oh hey, it does say "damage/round" in the character dump. So maybe it is taking extra shots into account. Kinda weird if you ask me.

I agree. Unlike blows you can change actions between shots even if the target survives, so each shot is individual action. This description gives a wrong impression to people what kind of damage their weapon really does.

**ChodTheWacko** · March 24, 2011, 18:43

Originally posted by Derakon

Chod decided to modify the dump four minutes after I posted my advice

Ooops, sorry, I was screwing around with my character after I posted.
Since I didn't see any replies, I decided to edit my post - I didn't consider I might be Ninjaing someone. I actually modified the character twice.

Some notes on everyone's comments:
1) Yea, as a general rule the damage/round has been far greater with melee than with my bows, assuming the damage/round is accurate. I like it printing damage/round since it makes it easier to compare bow damage to melee damange. I hadn't considered critical hits though.

2) I used the artifact bow to plug poison resistance, I rarely ever used it.
Now that this character is closer to winning I would like to see ammo damage increased, and fighting skill reduced for rangers. It feels weird not killing anything with bows.

3) I have a bad habit of teleporting whenever a unique (Hello Sauron) summons a batch of nasty Critters. So I was scared to use aggravate items. I've since decided 'oh well' and that got my damage/round signifigantly higher. My Slay Evil jumped from 550 to 700 now. Need to change my habits though.

4) I could swear at one point that if you had 100% saving throw you could never get blinded/confused, even without resistance. When did that change? I almost died when I fought some monster which had 'hit to confuse' since I dumped all my teleport staves.

Thanks for the help, everyone!

- Frank

**Derakon** · March 24, 2011, 19:15

Originally posted by ChodTheWacko

4) I could swear at one point that if you had 100% saving throw you could never get blinded/confused, even without resistance. When did that change? I almost died when I fought some monster which had 'hit to confuse' since I dumped all my teleport staves.

Either you managed to find a bug, or you thought you had confusion resistance and didn't.

100% saving throw will protect you from spells and a few random effects, but they won't save you against melee hits or most elemental attacks that carry side effects. Hit to blind/confuse ignores saving throws. So does light/darkness breath, chaos breath, water balls, etc.

If you want to never be confused, get confusion resistance. It's the only reliable source.

**Timo Pietilä** · March 24, 2011, 20:59

Originally posted by Derakon

100% saving throw will protect you from spells and a few random effects, but they won't save you against melee hits or most elemental attacks that carry side effects. Hit to blind/confuse ignores saving throws. So does light/darkness breath, chaos breath, water balls, etc.

If you want to never be confused, get confusion resistance. It's the only reliable source.

Perfect saving throw does protect you against paralyzation from any source though. It's not entirely consistent, but who says everything needs to be consistent. Real life has exceptions too.

**Magnate** · March 24, 2011, 21:00

Originally posted by ChodTheWacko

1) Yea, as a general rule the damage/round has been far greater with melee than with my bows, assuming the damage/round is accurate. I like it printing damage/round since it makes it easier to compare bow damage to melee damange. I hadn't considered critical hits though.

Critical hits are included in the displayed average damage/round.

You are right that bow damage was changed to per round in order to be comparable with melee damage at a glance. We figured that people would want that more often than they'd want to know the damage per shot, and since you only ever have a whole number of shots, it's not that hard to divide by 2 or 3 in your head.

YACD - HE ranger - grinding time?

YACD - HE ranger - grinding time?

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