Nightlies embark on long journey towards 3.3

[d_m]

I assume that none of the dev team plays with tiles so this be off your radar even though I've brought it up before.

Prior to 3.2 the 32x32 tileset displayed perfectly in Vanilla. Since 3.2 there are a few graphic bugs that were, prior to 3.2, strictly limited to variants that didn't have big tile/double tile support (that's all of them except FA). I believe Nick acknowledged that it's something he did to big tile/double tile, though I could be mistaken.

I think you're right that none of the devs usually play with tiles, although I have recently been trying to use them in SDL and under WINE (to test for Windows).

Would you be willing to open one or more tickets on trac.rephial.org for these issues and add the keyword tiles. I'm sure that these issues have been brought up on oook but there are a lot of "known problems" floating in my head right now and I don't want to lose track. In particular, if you wouldn't mind taking screenshots from 3.2 and an earlier version to illustrate the changes, that would be very helpful to me.

For what it's worth, I *have* noticed problems in tiles, but paradoxically the tiles in Linux were kind of broken even before 3.2 so I don't have a great perspective on the current state of them (or of the problems that Nick/3.2 introduced).

To conclude: sorry that things are broken and hopefully they can be fixed.

[Nick]

Prior to 3.2 the 32x32 tileset displayed perfectly in Vanilla. Since 3.2 there are a few graphic bugs that were, prior to 3.2, strictly limited to variants that didn't have big tile/double tile support (that's all of them except FA). I believe Nick acknowledged that it's something he did to big tile/double tile, though I could be mistaken.

Yes, that's right. I think I'm also right in thinking that FA doesn't have these problems (yet ), so in principle it should be fixable without too much trouble. It may just be a matter of I was less inclined to just throw around screen refreshes when I was coding for V than FA...

[PowerDiver]

I cannot see the color L_PURPLE on my system, using X11. Cave spiders and lesser balrogs are written in the same black as the background. I don't know if my monitor colors are off or it is something else. When I change the color through the visuals I can then see the monsters, but that info does not survive the save/reload process.

My debugging process was significantly slowed by mistaking the problem as L_PURPLE when it was actually PURPLE that was causing the problem. I must have misread monster.txt. D'oh! I've noticed several issues.

Most importantly, there are some pref files with V: lines screwing up the color table, for some systems but not all. In particular, lib/pref/font-gtk.prf and lib/pref/font-x11.prf contain the line

V:16:0x01:0x00:0x00:0x00

which gives r/g/b of 0/0/0 to the color PURPLE, rendering it black. I haven't liked some other color changes, e.g. dark green and light green are too similar for me now, so I wonder if there are other errors.

Strangely, while the two pref files mentioned above contain lines for V:0 through V:31, lib/pref/font-mac.prf contains lines only from V:0 to V:15. No other lib/pref files contain any V: lines.

These V: lines act on the angband_color_table. It is defined as having a range of MAX_COLORS, which is 256, but only BASIC_COLORS of 28 lines are provided. Also, there are 32 lines in the pref files mentioned earlier overwriting 32 lines of the color table. Perhaps this is all as intended, but it sure looks strange to me.

[retrobits]

As of last night I am occasionally seeing green stairs and doors. Maybe its a problem with my eyes?

[PowerDiver]

As of last night I am occasionally seeing green stairs and doors. Maybe its a problem with my eyes?

Are those on the border of your trap detection area? I think this counts as a bugfix, as previously when they were not green that meant the border was not fully displayed. It gets a little strange when a clear monster is on a greenlit border tile.

[retrobits]

Are those on the border of your trap detection area? I think this counts as a bugfix, as previously when they were not green that meant the border was not fully displayed. It gets a little strange when a clear monster is on a greenlit border tile.

ah, you are correct. I was confused when seeing them scattered around after detect doors/stairs. Also I was confused since they are dark green rather than the typical light green of the detection border.

[Napsterbater]

Playing current nightlies, can't save my keymaps, they don't get read in to the next game, like squelch settings. Also can't bind a key to rest until healed. All "R\r" does is bring up the rest prompt with "\r" Pressing backspace at shops puts "A" into the output instead of what it's supposed to do. Can't bind a keymap to save my keymaps and exit back to game. Otherwise liking the changes. The cave maps are really harrowing for diving characters. There's something subtly safe about being in a lighted room, cave maps totally kill that. I guess a lot of survival techniques rely on single-tile corridors. I end up running out of ?PD a lot more. The early game feels a lot more difficult.

[Max Stats]

Playing current nightlies, can't save my keymaps, they don't get read in to the next game, like squelch settings. Also can't bind a key to rest until healed. All "R\r" does is bring up the rest prompt with "\r"

I brought this up in another thread. Currently, you can't do this directly in the keymap screen, but you can edit your pref file and insert the tag [Return] (including the brackets) into your keymap. Don't know if this is on the table to be fixed or not.

The cave maps are really harrowing for diving characters. There's something subtly safe about being in a lighted room, cave maps totally kill that. I guess a lot of survival techniques rely on single-tile corridors. I end up running out of ?PD a lot more. The early game feels a lot more difficult.

Yes, I would like it if the cave maps were changed so they only appear lower in the dungeon. I don't know exactly what is fair... DL 20? 30?

[Napsterbater]

I'm not complaining about the cave maps, mind you. I like that the early game is more difficult, I used be on autopilot until around dlev 15 or so. Felt like a grind. I bought ?PD, but I never needed them. Going down actually feels dangerous now. Me likey! Thanks for the tip on the keymaps!

[Magnate]

I brought this up in another thread. Currently, you can't do this directly in the keymap screen, but you can edit your pref file and insert the tag [Return] (including the brackets) into your keymap. Don't know if this is on the table to be fixed or not.

It is - takkaria has done a ton of work on input refactoring, and there's more to come.

[fizzix]

I brought this up in another thread. Currently, you can't do this directly in the keymap screen, but you can edit your pref file and insert the tag [Return] (including the brackets) into your keymap. Don't know if this is on the table to be fixed or not.

Yes, I would like it if the cave maps were changed so they only appear lower in the dungeon. I don't know exactly what is fair... DL 20? 30?

I actually would prefer the opposite, although a bit modified. I think the cavern maps should be the default for dungeon levels 1-20. Terrain management is a huge problem here, so I'd recommend dropping lots of rubble in them. Specifically in corridor-like that separate regions of the dungeon.

As you descend, you get to the rooms (standard) dungeon. Labyrinths come deep. I'd also get rid of the automatic permalighting/mappins on labyrinths altogether. These have high monster density but terrain is easy to manage.

Why? just because it feels right to have the caverns exist in the early game where you are fighting a lot of animals and cave dwelling monsters (orcs/trolls).

[scud]

Discovering that time hounds are now disguised as clear hounds is a shock.

[buzzkill]

Discovering that time hounds are now disguised as clear hounds is a shock.

Tiles or ASCII?

[scud]

ASCII, Mac nightly 15 March.

They were actually 'gravity grey'. But what is *very* strange is that my monster knowledge shows them as traditional 'blink dog blue'.

It wasn't an out-of-infravision time vortex, because I haven't met one yet.

Perhaps I was hallucinating (that's me, not my character). Best to ignore this 'report' until I meet more of them.

[Timo Pietilä]

ASCII, Mac nightly 15 March.

They were actually 'gravity grey'. But what is *very* strange is that my monster knowledge shows them as traditional 'blink dog blue'.

It wasn't an out-of-infravision time vortex, because I haven't met one yet.

Perhaps I was hallucinating (that's me, not my character). Best to ignore this 'report' until I meet more of them.

If you didn't die and didn't see where that blast came you have no knowledge what caused that. It could have been time vortex.