Store Menu?

[takkaria]

Yeah. What you call the "windows console version" (also known as, er, the DOS version) was removed for 3.1 - I think it was part of the non-GPL purge but not sure. Sorry.

The Windows console version is just the Unix console version compiled with PDCurses, so that it's pretty close to the old DOS version but isn't quite the same. I stopped compiling it through negligence, mostly, and in the interests of not having people download the console version instead of the friendlier Windows version.

[nppangband]

For the record, still hating the "new" stores.

You are not alone. I put the new store menu from Angband 3.1.2 in NPP and nobody likes it. I have multiple requests to change it back. I like it, but I appear to be in the minority.

Does Angband have any plans for further refining on thier store UI?

[Magnate]

You are not alone. I put the new store menu from Angband 3.1.2 in NPP and nobody likes it. I have multiple requests to change it back. I like it, but I appear to be in the minority.

Does Angband have any plans for further refining on thier store UI?

I don't like it either but we're all suffering from the pain of changing deeply ingrained habits and muscle memory. As takk explained far more clearly than I could in a previous thread on this, the new paradigm is far more handheld-friendly and that's what makes it worth the switch.

I don't think I've ever seen a single complaint about the store interface from a new player, which I think is significant.

I don't know the answer to your question though: takk has embarked on a major series of changes to input handling (the first of which is now in the nightlies - spell selection), but I don't know if/how it will affect stores.

[Omnipact]

I don't like it either but we're all suffering from the pain of changing deeply ingrained habits and muscle memory. As takk explained far more clearly than I could in a previous thread on this, the new paradigm is far more handheld-friendly and that's what makes it worth the switch.

There was a discussion on the mailing list mailing list about it. (thread named 'Various stuff')
Doing the verb-noun(sell) to noun-verb(buy) is a bit quirky, and all 'old school' players disliked it. (including me)

There is also the fact that it uses the 'menu' ui (a la options screen) to display and select shop wares.
It might well be quite tricky to implement a verb-noun method for buying. (in a clean way)

Iain

[Timo Pietilä]

Doing the verb-noun(sell) to noun-verb(buy) is a bit quirky, and all 'old school' players disliked it. (including me)

Same here. I have been playing 3.1 -> versions now for quite a long time, and apparently it is not just "muscle memory", but real logical error, because I still make errors in my buying/selling stuff. That same is not only for buying and selling but also for looking what that stuff does.

This shop UI will be annoying forever if it doesn't get fixed, time alone doesn't cure this.

[Lord Fell]

I honestly can't see how the new store menu would be more friendly to hand-helds than the old menu. The same number of key strokes is there, they're just backwards.

On a different note (and maybe I should start a different thread for this?) I did download 3.1.2v2, but I don't see the option for solid walls. 3.0.9b uses. I find the # and % walls to be really hard on my eyes after playing with the solid block walls for so long -is there an option to use solid?

Also, in 3.1.2v2 I don't see the option to autoscum for good levels, which I would generally want to do when test-driving the new version.

[Adley]

Also, in 3.1.2v2 I don't see the option to autoscum for good levels, which I would generally want to do when test-driving the new version.

Removed in that version.

[Timo Pietilä]

On a different note (and maybe I should start a different thread for this?) I did download 3.1.2v2, but I don't see the option for solid walls. 3.0.9b uses. I find the # and % walls to be really hard on my eyes after playing with the solid block walls for so long -is there an option to use solid?

For some reason font.prf from the lib\pref excludes font-win.prf.

Just remove the # in font.prf


#?:[EQU $SYS win]
#%:font-win.prf


I also changed permanent rock color from ugly red to steel-blue in font-win.prf



# Permanent rock (dark red : solid block)

F:60:4:127 -> F:60:26:127
F:61:4:127 -> F:61:26:127
F:62:4:127 -> F:62:26:127
F:63:4:127 -> F:63:26:127


And removed comments from centered dots in beginning of the settings.

[Whelk]

After buying a good few items accidentally due to the new store interface I've gotten used to it, and while I don't necessarily like it more than the old way, it doesn't really bother me anymore. So, chalk me up as one of the few "doesn't hate the new store system" marks.

I do think the old way seems to make more logical sense, though. I don't go into a store and say, "That pie - I'd like to buy it." I say "I'd like to buy that pie."

[Timo Pietilä]

After buying a good few items accidentally due to the new store interface I've gotten used to it, and while I don't necessarily like it more than the old way, it doesn't really bother me anymore. So, chalk me up as one of the few "doesn't hate the new store system" marks.

I do think the old way seems to make more logical sense, though. I don't go into a store and say, "That pie - I'd like to buy it." I say "I'd like to buy that pie."

I can manage with it, but it is illogical, and it is actually the only place in the game where you get item before action. Everything else is action-key, then item. shooting, casting spells, using staves/wands/rods, inscribing, everything.

[takkaria]

I can manage with it, but it is illogical, and it is actually the only place in the game where you get item before action. Everything else is action-key, then item. shooting, casting spells, using staves/wands/rods, inscribing, everything.

sometime fairly soon (in angband terms) verb-object behaviour should be available... it's on my radar, at any rate.

[Lord Fell]

Timo... do I need to add a # back to a different line? That doesn't seem to have worked. On the plus side, it didn't crash my game.

[Timo Pietilä]

Timo... do I need to add a # back to a different line? That doesn't seem to have worked. On the plus side, it didn't crash my game.

No, just make sure you removed both of the comment marks (#) in font.prf that are preventing the game from using font-win.prf:

#?:[EQU $SYS win] -> ?:[EQU $SYS win]
#%:font-win.prf -> %:font-win.prf

[Lord Fell]

That did the trick. Thanks!