Max Depth...

[Fendell Orcbane]

So I've been running my winner into the ground looking for artifacts just for the hell of it, and I get to lvl 127 and it seems that I can't go any further down. Which is fine by me. I was just wondering if drops got better past 100.

[Derakon]

The drops you get depend on a combination of the monster's level and your dungeon level (or just the dungeon level for floor items), so yes, drops should get better as you get deeper.

[Timo Pietilä]

The drops you get depend on a combination of the monster's level and your dungeon level (or just the dungeon level for floor items), so yes, drops should get better as you get deeper.

IIRC the version he is playing has max (mlevel, dlevel), so dungeon bottom is absolutely the best place to be. Also some bonuses in items increase the deeper you are (like RoS bonus).

OTOH I think modern angband has maxed most items to dlvl 100, not dlvl 127, which just feels wrong. I'm quite sure how this is visible in playing though (one thing I haven't done is stay playing after winning any prolonged period of time).

[PowerDiver]

OTOH I think modern angband has maxed most items to dlvl 100, not dlvl 127, which just feels wrong. I'm quite sure how this is visible in playing though (one thing I haven't done is stay playing after winning any prolonged period of time).

The game is over before DL101 for all practical purposes. I don't see any reason for DL 101 to 127 even to exist.

Do you want those fantastic items to only show up "in depth" as 30 level OoD in greater vaults at DL 97-99? I'm not sure.

Max of DL100 is bad with 3.1.2v2 drops, but it might be fine now that monster drop depth isn't so deep.

[Fendell Orcbane]

IIRC the version he is playing has max (mlevel, dlevel), so dungeon bottom is absolutely the best place to be. Also some bonuses in items increase the deeper you are (like RoS bonus).

OTOH I think modern angband has maxed most items to dlvl 100, not dlvl 127, which just feels wrong. I'm quite sure how this is visible in playing though (one thing I haven't done is stay playing after winning any prolonged period of time).

Honestly I just want to see how many points I can get at this point. But I've been thinking of starting a new character up...maybe a warrior. I'm guessing that a warrior is going to be harder than a Ranger or a Mage.

[buzzkill]

The game is over before DL101 for all practical purposes. I don't see any reason for DL 101 to 127 even to exist.

Max the dungeon. Push it to 256 levels. At DL128 initiate mandatory ironman style play and eliminate monster memory. Additionally all enemies get 2x all abilities (speed, HP, damage) + random abilities. After DL200, 2x once again (4x). Forget about overpowered randarts. Let's see who can find, and maybe even kill the toughest enemy ever .

[Derakon]

Honestly I just want to see how many points I can get at this point. But I've been thinking of starting a new character up...maybe a warrior. I'm guessing that a warrior is going to be harder than a Ranger or a Mage.

It really depends. Warriors have blazingly fast starts and can absorb way more punishment than rangers or mages can. They aren't as versatile, sure, but items make up for most of the deficit. Their big lack is monster detection; once you get -Detection you're pretty well set.

[PowerDiver]

Let's see who can find, and maybe even kill the toughest enemy ever .

M is the toughest enemy ever in V. If that ever changes, M needs to be upgraded to fix it.

[Timo Pietilä]

It really depends. Warriors have blazingly fast starts and can absorb way more punishment than rangers or mages can. They aren't as versatile, sure, but items make up for most of the deficit. Their big lack is monster detection; once you get -Detection you're pretty well set.

Warriors are a bit like Priests, fast to play at start, slow at stat-gain region and again fast at the end.

[Fendell Orcbane]

Yes a warrior it will be! I like the idea of a fast start.

[grumbleguts]

Yes a warrior it will be! I like the idea of a fast start.

The only issue is inventory slots. You need a rod/staff/scroll/wand of almost everything.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

The only issue is inventory slots. You need a rod/staff/scroll/wand of almost everything.

Warrior inventory slots are adequately compensated by not having to lug around spell books, that's upwards of nine slots that a mage or priest might carry (though I don't usually carry all of them when playing a caster).

[Pete Mack]

It's only a problem early. Later you will need only Detection and both kinds of Teleport Other (and optionally Erilil swap if you want full object detection.) Mapping will come from the Arkenstone; Rods of Healing and Speed are nice if you can get them, but are very much optional. The one other possible is a staff of Teleportation, especially if you don't have rConf.

The only issue is inventory slots. You need a rod/staff/scroll/wand of almost everything.

[Grotug]

For me Half-troll Warrior is still the most fun. I don't find inventory slots to be worse with that combo over other combos. One time the first enemy I killed was Fang and that brought me to CL4 and 82 hitpoints. Not a bad start.