Feature request: make "summon unique" do nothing when there are no uniques

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  • bron
    Knight
    • May 2008
    • 515

    Feature request: make "summon unique" do nothing when there are no uniques

    Right now, if a monster (say, Morgoth) use the "Summon Unique" ability, but there are no uniques, instead a bunch of High Undead get summoned in their place. If I go through the trouble of killing all the other uniques, I find it annoying that my reward is often a facefull of Nightwalkers and Black Reavers, which certainly doesn't feel like much of a prize. In fact, I find that it is a good tactic to deliberately *not* kill selected uniques, precisely so that there is something to be summoned; something of one's own choosing (i.e. weak). This all seems wrong to me: killing a unique should be an unqualified positive thing.

    To that end, I propose that "summon unique" should fail and do nothing when there are no uniques available. Further, Morgoth should use something like "summon HIGH unique" so that weak uniques are not summoned and I'm not rewarded for failing to kill the Queen Ant or the Cat Lord (my two favorite targets to NOT kill).
  • Derakon
    Prophet
    • Dec 2009
    • 9022

    #2
    Are you saying you'd rather have Charcaroth show up instead of a Black Reaver? It seems to me you're still getting a weaker summon than you would if you hadn't killed all of the local uniques. From Morgpoth's perspective, he's summoning something powerful to kill you with. If he can't get his best buddies to take you down, he'll get the next best thing.

    I do agree that summons should avoid pulling monsters that are much weaker than the summoner. I don't know if the Cat Lord is too weak for Morgy to summon, but the Queen Ant probably is.

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    • tummychow
      Apprentice
      • Sep 2009
      • 93

      #3
      I still frankly agree with bron; it should either do nothing or summon a majorly useless monster (ie half the level of a randomly chosen dead unique).

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      • buzzkill
        Prophet
        • May 2008
        • 2939

        #4
        If there are no uniques, then it shouldn't waste his turn. He should get a chance to do something else. That's just weak AI, kinda like fully healed monsters healing themselves.
        www.mediafire.com/buzzkill - Get your 32x32 tiles here. UT32 now compatible Ironband and Quickband 9/6/2012.
        My banding life on Buzzkill's ladder.

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        • will_asher
          DaJAngband Maintainer
          • Apr 2007
          • 1124

          #5
          I just got a dangerous idea.. If uniques of rarity 0 can be summoned by the summon uniques spell (can't happen in vanilla 3.0.9 / current DJA, but that can be changed), then you can make several uniques which will never appear unless summoned by that spell.
          Will_Asher
          aka LibraryAdventurer

          My old variant DaJAngband:
          http://sites.google.com/site/dajangbandwebsite/home (defunct and so old it's forked from Angband 3.1.0 -I think- but it's probably playable...)

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9638

            #6
            Originally posted by will_asher
            I just got a dangerous idea.. If uniques of rarity 0 can be summoned by the summon uniques spell (can't happen in vanilla 3.0.9 / current DJA, but that can be changed), then you can make several uniques which will never appear unless summoned by that spell.
            I assume you're familiar with the abbreviation EMFH?
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • will_asher
              DaJAngband Maintainer
              • Apr 2007
              • 1124

              #7
              Originally posted by Nick
              I assume you're familiar with the abbreviation EMFH?
              Yes (actually I just looked it up), but I fail to see how it's relevant.
              Will_Asher
              aka LibraryAdventurer

              My old variant DaJAngband:
              http://sites.google.com/site/dajangbandwebsite/home (defunct and so old it's forked from Angband 3.1.0 -I think- but it's probably playable...)

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              • PowerDiver
                Prophet
                • Mar 2008
                • 2820

                #8
                Originally posted by Nick
                I assume you're familiar with the abbreviation EMFH?
                Edacious Monsters Favor Hobbitses ?

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                • Magnate
                  Angband Devteam member
                  • May 2007
                  • 5110

                  #9
                  Originally posted by PowerDiver
                  Edacious Monsters Favor Hobbitses ?
                  Evil Maintainer From Hell. Leon, Nick, Will ... all those sadistic guys.
                  "Been away so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home" - The Beatles

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                  • Timo Pietilä
                    Prophet
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4096

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nick
                    I assume you're familiar with the abbreviation EMFH?
                    Educated Monsters Fear Hobbitses?

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                    • konijn_
                      Hellband maintainer
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 367

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Magnate
                      Evil Maintainer From Hell. Leon, Nick, Will ... all those sadistic guys.
                      DarkGod..

                      T.
                      * Are you ready for something else ? Hellband 0.8.8 is out! *

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                      • Djabanete
                        Knight
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 576

                        #12
                        I thought it was going to be Eat My **** Hat.

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