Possible bug?

[Cauldron]

When blind, I looked around at previously detected items, and got the following message: You see an unknown grid.

Surely I should be able to recognize what I already detected?

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[Fenrir]

And being blind you shouldn't be able to 'see' anything.

[Cauldron]

And being blind you shouldn't be able to 'see' anything.

Ah, but then why can I look around when not blind, even to things that are out of LoS? I canna 'see' them either - I just detected them. It's not like they are going move.

[Zikke]

It is possible a monster might pick up an object on the ground, so your detection would be incorrect if it persisted through blindness.

[Cauldron]

Ah, but you are made aware of monsters picking things up, even if you don't know where they are, or what they are: It picks up the Bolt (+0,+0). Especially efter shooting down an unlit corridor trying to take out, say, Smeagol. In this case you can't see the Bolt on the floor, or the monster. How do you know it got picked up?

Anyway, the point isn't about consistency in (l)ooking or noticing particular events, it's about the change. Is this intentional?

[Marble Dice]

Ah, but you are made aware of monsters picking things up, even if you don't know where they are, or what they are: It picks up the Bolt (+0,+0). Especially efter shooting down an unlit corridor trying to take out, say, Smeagol. In this case you can't see the Bolt on the floor, or the monster. How do you know it got picked up?

Not only this, but when you detect a vault full of goodies, you can see the ghosts moving around on the inside, picking up items, and causing your detected items to fall off the map one by one. You never even had line-of-sight (let alone visibility) on those items and you can still see them getting picked up.

[Nolendil]

You can also see (detected) doors being opened. Even if you sometimes hear that it's opened, adventurers must have a really good hearing to be able to know which one is concerned

[Donald Jonker]

You can also see (detected) doors being opened. Even if you sometimes hear that it's opened, adventurers must have a really good hearing to be able to know which one is concerned

And out of sight hidden ones are revealed if monsters open them. I always thought these features were awesome despite being illogical and totally unfair.

[Sirridan]

And out of sight hidden ones are revealed if monsters open them. I always thought these features were awesome despite being illogical and totally unfair.

I've been blown up enough by monsters I couldn't even SEE.

I say what's quoted is perfectly fair and logical.

[Pete Mack]

There are no 'versions' of objects on the floor, so any pickups of objects you are aware of on the floor will be detected. Having special versioning code for known objects while blind is way too much effort for what it's worth. And since when is game play about some 'reality' anyway? You are shooting invisible an invisible monster who jumps all over the place at speed +20. You shouldn't have any chance of hitting him whatsoever, but instead your to-hit is only cut by 50%.

[d_m]

I think blindness in Angband is more than just having your eyes not function. For instance, telepathy does not work while blind. So, you could imagine it as being something that affects your mind (not eyes)... therefore you can no longer "see" anything that you detected (via spells, esp, etc).

I suppose it would be possible to change blindness to allow the memory of where items are and ESP to work but I think that might make blindness too weak.

[will_asher]

I thought telepathy did work while blind? It looks like it does looking in update_mon().
In DaJAngband, the mushroom of second sight blinds you and gives you a certain form of telepathy which is supposed to Only work while blind. When I've used it in the game, it works for the most part (though for some reason the telepathy sometimes doesn't kick in for a few turns and I haven't figured out why. It kicks in before the blindness wears off anyway).

[Zikke]

Telepathy does work while blind in V.

[Marble Dice]

I suppose it would be possible to change blindness to allow the memory of where items are and ESP to work but I think that might make blindness too weak.

Regarding the item memory, it wouldn't change the strength of blindness at all as this feature is already available as long as the player is willing to put up with tedious note-taking. This is the same concept behind monster memory and ID-by-use, among other things. If there's an argument for not doing it, it would be that the implementation would be too much work for too little gain - but I'm not sure if that's the case or not.

You must play melee classes if you think blindness could be too weak - it's already death to spellcasters.

[d_m]

You must play melee classes if you think blindness could be too weak - it's already death to spellcasters.

Thinking about my comment, I guess I had always assumed that blindness should be very harsh.

Right now I am mostly playing priests and rangers; if you carry CCW, staff of teleport, etc, then blindness is no worse than, say, confusion (which is bad, but you can work around it).