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  • Zikke
    Veteran
    • Jun 2008
    • 1069

    #16
    My post was along the lines of Buzzkill's point of view (never thought I'd say that ^_^) in that this is a solitaire game. It's a 1-player experience that people can play in any way that makes it fun for them.

    To some people, the game is way too hard and they may want to townscum to make it easier. Some people savefile scum for the same reason. Having the savefile be "hot swappable" is due to the way it's programmed. Having store inventory be reset based on the number of turns that go by is also due to the way things are programmed. One may seem more egregious than the other, but the two methods of "cheating" are in the same category.

    Personally I really like how Nick added ordering items in FA for those items you use a lot. Kind of adds a feeling of customization to the shops without really adding it.
    A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe
    A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+
    C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

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    • bebo
      Adept
      • Jan 2009
      • 213

      #17
      Originally posted by Zikke
      My post was along the lines of Buzzkill's point of view (never thought I'd say that ^_^) in that this is a solitaire game. It's a 1-player experience that people can play in any way that makes it fun for them.
      i absolutely agree, i probably didn't express myself clearly before

      Originally posted by Zikke
      To some people, the game is way too hard and they may want to townscum to make it easier. Some people savefile scum for the same reason. Having the savefile be "hot swappable" is due to the way it's programmed. Having store inventory be reset based on the number of turns that go by is also due to the way things are programmed. One may seem more egregious than the other, but the two methods of "cheating" are in the same category.
      We will have to agree to disagree here - the way i view things, town scumming is a mechanic available in-game, whereas save-scumming requires manually duplicating an external file while the game is not running and swapping it manually - it's not an option available in-game: this makes a huge difference for me.
      My first winner! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8681
      And my second! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8872
      And the third! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9452
      And the fourth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10513
      And the fifth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10631
      And the sixth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10990

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      • Zikke
        Veteran
        • Jun 2008
        • 1069

        #18
        So the townscumming would be more of an "exploit" and savefile scumming would be a "hack" in modern video game terms.

        I believe both are probably bannable in most MMOs.
        A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe
        A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+
        C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

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        • bebo
          Adept
          • Jan 2009
          • 213

          #19
          Originally posted by Zikke
          So the townscumming would be more of an "exploit" and savefile scumming would be a "hack" in modern video game terms.

          I believe both are probably bannable in most MMOs.
          You are probably right.

          In any case i'm deriving a lot more personal satisfaction (oh, my ego! ) playing without townscumming - finding that wand of teleport other or scroll of *Destruction* is that much more exciting. When i'll get good enough i'll try playing without connected stairs
          My first winner! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8681
          And my second! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8872
          And the third! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9452
          And the fourth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10513
          And the fifth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10631
          And the sixth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10990

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          • buzzkill
            Prophet
            • May 2008
            • 2939

            #20
            Originally posted by bebo
            I'm sorry if this post is a bit harsh, i hope i was able to convey my point of view without offending anyone.
            Yeah, good luck with that.
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            My banding life on Buzzkill's ladder.

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            • Nick
              Vanilla maintainer
              • Apr 2007
              • 9634

              #21
              Originally posted by buzzkill
              Yeah, good luck with that.
              If you weren't such a moron, you'd know it was easy not to offend people
              One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
              In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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