Help me make my new variant! (please!)

[will_asher]

Eastwind921 contributed instructions and project files for Visual Studio 2019, so that's an alternative to the step-by-step instructions mentioned in the documentation. Those instructions and project files are in src/win/vs2019. It's possible that the list of files within the project files is somewhat out-of-date for 4.2.1.

Thanks, I'll look for that.

IDE is an integrated development environment, usually providing access to an editor, a compiler, a debugger, and other tools in the same interface. Visual Studio is an IDE.

Yes, gcc is another compiler, usually used on Linux or Unix systems. For Windows, one would likely use MinGW port of gcc. The basic instructions for using that to compile Angband are in this part of the documentation . Pete Mack or someone else can chime in about what's easier to use, though the answer will likely depend on what you're used to.

Well, I'm going to need an IDE for making a variant, so gcc isn't going to work for this.

[backwardsEric]

okay, I'll make sure I follow the compiling instructions you linked to, to make sure I have the recent update of them.

Eastwind921 contributed instructions and project files for Visual Studio 2019, so that's an alternative to the step-by-step instructions mentioned in the documentation. Those instructions and project files are in src/win/vs2019. It's possible that the list of files within the project files is somewhat out-of-date for 4.2.1.

What's an IDE?
So Gcc is another compiler? There's no instructions for compiling with it on the manual here: https://angband.readthedocs.io/en/la...compiling.html
Do you think Gcc would be easier than using Visual Studio (even though Visual Studio is the only one I've used before)?

IDE is an integrated development environment, usually providing access to an editor, a compiler, a debugger, and other tools in the same interface. Visual Studio is an IDE.

Yes, gcc is another compiler, usually used on Linux or Unix systems. For Windows, one would likely use MinGW port of gcc. The basic instructions for using that to compile Angband are in this part of the documentation . Pete Mack or someone else can chime in about what's easier to use, though the answer will likely depend on what you're used to.

[will_asher]

Last fall, someone tried to follow those step-by-step instructions. The discussion that resulted starts with this post . The documentation was updated a bit and the source can be found on the GitHub site. There was still some questions about what to use for the locale and encoding of source code character strings and that's an open issue on the GitHub site.

okay, I'll make sure I follow the compiling instructions you linked to, to make sure I have the recent update of them.

Sort of. You will end up with mangled symbols, but so long as its entirely compiled in C++ and doesn't rely on C libraries, it'll run. You may need a few extern C declarations. The trouble is it's hard to maintain back compatibility.
Gcc is not hard to use. And there is a graphical debugger. The trouble is it doesn't include an IDE.

What's an IDE?
So Gcc is another compiler? There's no instructions for compiling with it on the manual here: https://angband.readthedocs.io/en/la...compiling.html
Do you think Gcc would be easier than using Visual Studio (even though Visual Studio is the only one I've used before)?

[backwardsEric]

First, is the "angband_visual_studio_step_by_step" file updated and current? (It doesn't seem like it...)
I've only used two compilers before. One is Visual Studio, and I don't remember what other was, but it's old, probably obsolete, and anyway it isn't one of the options listed in the compiling instructions here:

https://angband.readthedocs.io/en/latest/hacking/compiling.html#windows

Last fall, someone tried to follow those step-by-step instructions. The discussion that resulted starts with this post . The documentation was updated a bit and the source can be found on the GitHub site. There was still some questions about what to use for the locale and encoding of source code character strings and that's an open issue on the GitHub site.

[Pete Mack]

Sort of. You will end up with mangled symbols, but so long as its entirely compiled in C++ and doesn't rely on C libraries, it'll run. You may need a few extern C declarations. The trouble is it's hard to maintain back compatibility.
Gcc is not hard to use. And there is a graphical debugger. The trouble is it doesn't include an IDE.

[will_asher]

So, I'm looking into making a new variant since I just came back to Angband, and I always think the most fun thing to do with a game is tweak it, tinker with it, tamper with it, customize it, alter it, twist it, slime it, and otherwise modify it. But I'm going to need some help because I am much more of a hack than an actual coder/programmer, so this thread is where I'll ask questions.

First, is the "angband_visual_studio_step_by_step" file updated and current? (It doesn't seem like it...)
I've only used two compilers before. One is Visual Studio, and I don't remember what other was, but it's old, probably obsolete, and anyway it isn't one of the options listed in the compiling instructions here:

https://angband.readthedocs.io/en/latest/hacking/compiling.html#windows

I just downloaded Visual Studio and it's changed a bit since I last used it too. When you bring up the list of languages, it lists C# and C++, but not C. Do I need to use an older version of Visual Studio? Or is C pretty much included under C++?

PS: Should this go here or in the variants subforum?