Removal suggestions

[Shockbolt]

or if any existing npc's or creatures in Middle-earths history doesn't fit, we can create ones that fit, for example evil ents.

[Thraalbee]

I think them not being evil is part of the point. There are many slays and spells that works against evil which does not work against angels and I find it would be sad if we changed Angels to evil creatures.

I have absolutely no problem with a name change, in fact I agree thematically it is one of the least fitting parts in the game, but I think they should stay non-evil.

[Antoine]

I have absolutely no problem with a name change, in fact I agree thematically it is one of the least fitting parts in the game, but I think they should stay non-evil.

Then vote Slaad!

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[Timo Pietilä]

Then vote Slaad!

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I prefer Ainur. Slaad doesn't say anything to me. Sounds like erroneous writing of salad. I'm no going to fight cabbage.

[relic]

I prefer Ainur. Slaad doesn't say anything to me. Sounds like erroneous writing of salad. I'm no going to fight cabbage.

The Giant Cabbage hits you -more
The Giant Cabbage envelopes you -more
You Die -more

[Nick]

I prefer Ainur. Slaad doesn't say anything to me. Sounds like erroneous writing of salad. I'm no going to fight cabbage.

Plus the point is to have non-evil things, and cabbage is evil.

[nppangband]

Correct. Takkaria is currently on vacation, but we can ask for a decision afterwards. The best way to do this is for somebody to put a new version of monster.txt on github and submit a "pull request" titled "New names for angels", or similar. Then any of the devteam can simply say "takkaria: ok for me to merge pull request #xyz?", with a link to the details of the proposed changes.

In case anyone is interested, this is the best way to get anything changed in the game.

NPP (thanks to Anssi Ralema) has already replaced Angels with Ainur. I will by happy to put together a patch for this if Takkaria wants the change (In addition to monster.txt, there are summon angel spells in the source code and in various tables like the knowledge screens that need to be re-done as well)

[Max Stats]

The Giant Cabbage hits you -more
The Giant Cabbage envelopes you -more
You Die -more

Looks like you just fell victim to Cole's Law.

[relic]

Looks like you just fell victim to Cole's Law.

Ouch. That pun was so bad that it was really good.

[fizzix]

NPP (thanks to Anssi Ralema) has already replaced Angels with Ainur. I will by happy to put together a patch for this if Takkaria wants the change (In addition to monster.txt, there are summon angel spells in the source code and in various tables like the knowledge screens that need to be re-done as well)

won't a find-replace of the word 'angel' with 'ainur' work on a first go?

[Jungle_Boy]

won't a find-replace of the word 'angel' with 'ainur' work on a first go?

Not on things like archons, and cherubim. There may be other angels without the word angel in their name as well but those are what I could think of right away.

[Derakon]

He was talking about the source code, not the monster.txt file.

[Magnate]

NPP (thanks to Anssi Ralema) has already replaced Angels with Ainur. I will by happy to put together a patch for this if Takkaria wants the change (In addition to monster.txt, there are summon angel spells in the source code and in various tables like the knowledge screens that need to be re-done as well)

Takkaria is keen (see 17th Aug reply further down the thread), so a patch would be gratefully accepted.

[Antoine]

Takkaria is keen (see 17th Aug reply further down the thread), so a patch would be gratefully accepted.

I'd love to see the Angels to Ainur change made, but wasn't Takkaria agreeing to a simple renaming without gameplay changes?

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[nppangband]

Takkaria is keen (see 17th Aug reply further down the thread), so a patch would be gratefully accepted.

Will do. Is there any particular version/branch of the Angband source I should be working from?

The patch I do will have all of the NPP Ainur, so all angels will be replaced, and there will be probably about 20 new monsters for your review. I am tileset challenged, so I won't attempt to update the graphics. But that is probably best held off until you all decide which ones you want to use.

To answer that other question, about the source being a simple search/replace, there are a couple things involving summoning and monster spellcasting that need to be verified. There are always a couple unexpected issues, even in simple changes like this.