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  • Gwarl
    Administrator
    • Jan 2017
    • 1025

    Comp 219

    No savefile again.

    Human druid from feature branch. All birth options permitted.

    Winner in least turns.
  • bron
    Knight
    • May 2008
    • 515

    #2
    I wonder if the comp 216 winners will break 10K turns this time around.

    I tried this, but I just find it unplayable with "run" currently broken. I'll wait until Nick has time to fix that.

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    • Nick
      Vanilla maintainer
      • Apr 2007
      • 9634

      #3
      I would suggest using the first of the older builds on the nightlies page (Windows, macOS, source), which should not have the run bug.
      One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
      In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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      • PowerWyrm
        Prophet
        • Apr 2008
        • 2986

        #4
        Originally posted by bron
        I wonder if the comp 216 winners will break 10K turns this time around.
        Probably not. We used broken mechanisms (Blackguard, Paladin, Rogue) to achieve those stupid turncounts, I don't think it will be possible with a druid, but we'll see...
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        • wobbly
          Prophet
          • May 2012
          • 2629

          #5
          As Nick's said use an older version to avoid the run bug. I'm pretty sure all recent game play changes were necromancy or shield bash e.g. nothing that effects the druid.

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9634

            #6
            Originally posted by wobbly
            As Nick's said use an older version to avoid the run bug. I'm pretty sure all recent game play changes were necromancy or shield bash e.g. nothing that effects the druid.
            There was a fairly recent change which will affect XP for first casting of spells, but the builds I quoted upthread have that change (and in fact are only missing a couple of minor bug "fixes").
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • Voovus
              Adept
              • Feb 2018
              • 158

              #7
              Originally posted by Gwarl
              No savefile again.
              Gwarl, since you have specified the character, the lack of a savefile looks like a bug on the competition page. As Ingwe mentioned in #216:

              "Maybe make a notation on the Competition description that there is no starting save file even though the page has a download starting save file link."

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              • Gwarl
                Administrator
                • Jan 2017
                • 1025

                #8
                Okay I changed the version on .live to what I deduce was the last build before the running bug was introduced. (Notably, it seems to not have been Nick's fault).

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                • Ingwe Ingweron
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 2129

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gwarl
                  Okay I changed the version on .live to what I deduce was the last build before the running bug was introduced. (Notably, it seems to not have been Nick's fault).
                  Which is what nightly version, for those downloading and playing off-line? The "variant" listed on the comp page remains the broken one. (Though I plan to play on-line and wouldn't mind a comp with on-line required).
                  “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                  ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                  • Nick
                    Vanilla maintainer
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9634

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                    Which is what nightly version, for those downloading and playing off-line? The "variant" listed on the comp page remains the broken one. (Though I plan to play on-line and wouldn't mind a comp with on-line required).
                    4.1.3-212-g09fdd8c25 is the pre-bug version, which is the one I linked in post 3 of this thread.

                    The running bug is confusing because
                    • it's a coding error found by someone else
                    • it's clearly an error
                    • but fixing the error creates the running bug.


                    Further complicated by the fact that I'm spending all my (regrettably little) Angband time on feature/monster.
                    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                    • Nick
                      Vanilla maintainer
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9634

                      #11
                      And, FYI, a quick glance at the ladder will tell you that I have this one in the bag.
                      One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                      In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                      • Ingwe Ingweron
                        Veteran
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 2129

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nick
                        And, FYI, a quick glance at the ladder will tell you that I have this one in the bag.
                        Pecked to death by a crow? An ignominious death, to be sure. It's happened to me too on occasion.
                        “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                        ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                        • Pete Mack
                          Prophet
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 6883

                          #13
                          Also: great choice of a name, Nick!

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                          • Nick
                            Vanilla maintainer
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9634

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Pete Mack
                            Also: great choice of a name, Nick!
                            Gwarl's idea
                            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                            • Grotug
                              Veteran
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 1637

                              #15
                              you enter fox form so you can fight.
                              you need to heal.
                              you leave foxform and quaff.
                              you enter foxform so you can fight.
                              you need to heal.
                              you leave foxform so you can quaff.
                              you enter foxform so you can fight.
                              you need to ?phase.
                              you leave foxform so you can ?phase.
                              you enter foxform so you can fight.
                              you need to do an AOE attack.
                              you leave foxform so you can do a poison ball.
                              you enter foxform so you can fight
                              you see a wand that may be TO.
                              you'll need to leave foxform to can pick it up.
                              You have learned the rune of aggravation.

                              Hmmmmm.

                              There must be a better way.

                              You queue up HT Warrior and enjoy your life.



                              I get that foxform needs a penalty of some kind, given how powerful it is, but I wonder if not being able to pick things up is the best one? I probably can get on board with not being able to use spell books or magical devices or shoot missiles, but not being able to pick up objects or quaff I think is too much (and not much logical). What about an even bigger dex bonus and a constitution penalty?
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