It's time to turn off level feelings

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Alright. Here's a guessing game for youse all that leads into a discussion about level feelings (this seemed the best thread to revive).

Experience potion. Took @ (Grotug's favourite half-troll killing machine) from CL 21 to CL 30 (!).

Found on level 15 (!) Let's just say I walked over it twice, because I had to process "did I just see what I thought I just saw"

Guess what the "level feeling" was.

Next. Level 20. Gorbag the nastiest critter in a catacomb setting. One evil eye, few baby dragons. Flails of slay animal, beaked axe of *slay* dragon and two rapiers *Slay* troll; *slay* animal.

Guess what the level feeling was.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Alright. Here's a guessing game for youse all that leads into a discussion about level feelings (this seemed the best thread to revive).

Experience potion. Took @ (Grotug's favourite half-troll killing machine) from CL 21 to CL 30 (!).

Found on level 15 (!) Let's just say I walked over it twice, because I had to process "did I just see what I thought I just saw"

Guess what the "level feeling" was.

Next. Level 20. Gorbag the nastiest critter in a catacomb setting. One evil eye, few baby dragons. Flails of slay animal, beaked axe of *slay* dragon and two rapiers *Slay* troll; *slay* animal.

Guess what the level feeling was.

9 for the DL 15 Experience potion and between 5 and 7 for the DL20 milieu. HOWEVER - This assumes these were not monster drops as those do not count for treasure feeling. You can have a treasure feeling of 1 and still get a superb monster drop. This also is a quite a bit of a guess in the DL20 scenario, as the *Slay* weapons also come with special abilities that sometimes can be quite significant, throwing added value into the mysterious treasure feeling algorithm. The setting of a catacomb is irrelevant, in any event - and so is the monster itself, if we are considering treasure feeling here.

[Grotug]

I’m going to say 8 for the !Exp and 5 for the weapons, although without knowing the enchantments or all of the abilities of the weapons it’s hard to really know.

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DL 15, Experience potion *on the floor* - 5-3.
DL 20, various slays on the floor - 4-6.

So, yeah, I think the "level feeling" coding is a bit wonky.

EDIT, aaaaannd just found another EXP potion on the floor of a DL 38 , 6-2. Not gonna argue, it's helping this forced-decent troll move along nicely.

[Nick]

So, yeah, I think the "level feeling" coding is a bit wonky.

The level feeling code is actually quite simple; here's how it works:

1. Each object placed on a newly generated level has it's value (as in shop price) calculated (for !Exp, that's 25000);
2. This is boosted by 20% for every level the item is out of depth (!Experience starts at level 65, so at 15 that's boosted by 50x20% to 275000);
3. Then this value is divided by 100, and squared (giving 7562500);
4. Then that number is divided by the depth (giving 501466);
5. Then all these values for the level are added up, and it's checked against a table to see which feeling it is.

Now, the bit that disturbs me is that the cut off for the 9 feeling is 160000 - so !Experience on DL15 should give a 9. If you are correct in all your details, that would indicate a bug. Are you quite sure about all the details?

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Now, the bit that disturbs me is that the cut off for the 9 feeling is 160000 - so !Experience on DL15 should give a 9. If you are correct in all your details, that would indicate a bug. Are you quite sure about all the details?

Absolutely. I may - because I am 52 and not the brightest bulb in the chandelier - be off by one or two, but it was NOT a x-9, of that I am certain.

Sadlly, that was a crapton of levels ago, so the logs are long since gone, I am sure.

[Sky]

i'm totally with you guys, it's time to add an option to the interface menu off by default to turn off level feelings.

[Derakon]

i'm totally with you guys, it's time to add an option to the interface menu off by default to turn off level feelings.

It's already there, unless it was removed recently.

[PowerWyrm]

It's already there, unless it was removed recently.

It's there, but the option is "on" by default.