[Entroband 1.7.1 Character Dump]

                          Name  : Nimble Artifactless

 Sex      : Male             Age               103   STR :      12
 Race     : Skeleton         Height             70   INT :   18/77
 Class    : Mage             Weight             48   WIS :      10
 Magic    : Chaos, Craft     Social Class        1   DEX :   18/50
                             Align         Chaotic   CON :   18/36
                                                     CHR :      10

 Two hands       (+14,+17)   Hit point    205/ 205   Fighting   : Good
                             SP (Mana)    111/ 111   Bows/Throw : Good
 Blows/Round           2+0                           SavingThrow: Superb
 AverageDmg/Rnd       41+0   Level              25   Stealth    : Superb
                             Experience      25694
 Shooting         (+4,+15)   Max Exp         25694   Perception : Excellent
 Multiplier          x5.00   Exp to Adv      30625   Searching  : Very Good
 Shots/Round          0.75   Gold             4940   Disarming  : Excellent
                                                     MagicDevice: Heroic
 AC               [13,+40]   Time     Day 10 13:39
 Speed                (+0)   Play time    02:23:25   Infra-Vision: 20 feet


                         (Character Background)
          You will defeat the Serpent without any artifacts, or die
          trying.



          ...Now, you are in Telmora.


                                                               Modification
 Sex   : Male          Stat    BaseRacClaPerMod ActualCurrent  abcdefghijkl@
 Race  : Skeleton      STR :     17  0 -4 -1  0     12         .............
 Class : Mage          INT :  18/27  1  3  1  0  18/77         .............
 Level : 25            WIS :     13 -2  0 -1  0     10         .............
 Hits  : 205/205       DEX :  18/20  0  1  2  0  18/50         s............
 Mana  : 111/111       CON :  18/56  1 -2 -1  0  18/36         .............
                       CHR :     12 -2  1 -1  0     10         .............
         / }== ~((] ]             / }== ~((] ]                 / }== ~((] ]
         abcdefghijkl@            abcdefghijkl@                abcdefghijkl@
 Acid  : +............    Sound : .............    Speed     : .............
 Elec  : +............    Nether: .............    FreeAction: +............
 Fire  : +...+........    Nexus : .............    SeeInvisi.: +...........+
 Cold  : +......+....+    Chaos : .............    Hold Life : ............+
 Poison: ............+    Disnch: ..+..........    Warning   : +............
 Light : .............    Fear  : .............    SlowDigest: .............
 Dark  : .............    Reflct: .............    Regene.   : +............
 Shard : ............+    AuFire: ......+......    Levitation: +..........+.
 Blind : .............    AuElec: .............    Perm Lite : .............
 Conf  : +............    AuCold: .............    Cursed    : .............

             /                  / }== ~((] ]                   / }== ~((] ]
             ab@                abcdefghijkl@                  abcdefghijkl@
 Slay Evil : ...    Telepathy : .............    Add Blows   : .............
 Slay Und. : ...    ESP Evil  : .............    Add Tunnel  : .............
 Slay Demon: ...    ESP Noliv.: .............    Add Infra   : .............
 Slay Drag.: ...    ESP Good  : .............    Add Device  : .............
 Slay Human: ...    ESP Undead: .............    Add Stealth : +......++....
 Slay Anim.: ...    ESP Demon : .............    Add Search  : ........+....
 Slay Orc  : ...    ESP Dragon: .............
 Slay Troll: ...    ESP Human : .............    Riding      : +............
 Slay Giant: ...    ESP Animal: .............    Throw       : .............
 Acid Brand: ...    ESP Orc   : .............    Blessed     : .............
 Elec Brand: ...    ESP Troll : .............    No Teleport : .............
 Fire Brand: ...    ESP Giant : .............    Anti Magic  : .............
 Cold Brand: ...                                 Econom. Mana: .............
 Poison Brd: ...    Sust Str  : .............
 Sharpness : ...    Sust Int  : .............    Drain Exp   : .............
 Quake     : ...    Sust Wis  : .............    Rnd.Teleport: .............
 Vampiric  : ...    Sust Dex  : +............    Aggravate   : .............
 Chaotic   : ...    Sust Con  : .............    TY Curse    : .............
 Force Wep.: ...    Sust Chr  : .............

 
  [Option Settings]

 Preserve Mode:      OFF
 Small Levels:       ENABLED
 Arena Levels:       ENABLED


  [Recall Depth]

    Angband         : level  17
    Yeek cave       : level   5
   !Labyrinth       : level  18
    R'lyeh          : level  80


  [Quest Information]

< Completed Quest >
  Thieves Hideout                          (Danger  level:   5) - level  6
  Warg problem                             (Danger  level:   5) - level 11
  Mughash the Kobold Lord                  (Dungeon level:   6) - level 12
  The Sewer                                (Danger  level:  15) - level 18
  Orc Camp                                 (Danger  level:  15) - level 19
  Doom Quest 1                             (Danger  level:  15) - level 20
  Nar, the Dwarf                           (Dungeon level:  12) - level 21
  The Mimic's Treasure                     (Danger  level:  25) - level 23
  Tengu and Death Swords                   (Danger  level:  25) - level 23
  The Tower                                (Danger  level:  30) - level 25
  The Vault                                (Danger  level:  30) - level 25

< Failed Quest >
  Logrus Master                            (Danger  level:  25) - level 23


 Arena: 20 Victories


  [Defeated Monsters]

You have defeated 1131 enemies including 18 unique monsters in total.

< Unique monsters top 10 >
  The Minotaur of the Labyrinth            (level  40)
  Bolg, Son of Azog                        (level  20)
  Shagrat, the Orc Captain                 (level  18)
  Nar, the Dwarf                           (level  17)
  Ufthak of Cirith Ungol                   (level  14)
  Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief            (level  12)
  Lousy, the King of Louses                (level   9)
  The Wounded Bear                         (level   9)
  Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman             (level   8)
  Lagduf, the Orc                          (level   8)


  [Virtues]

Your alighnment : Chaotic

You have strayed from the path of Knowledge.
You are neutral to Mysticism.
You are somewhat virtuous in Unlife.
You have strayed from the path of Chance.
You are virtuous in Vitality.
You have strayed from the path of Justice.
You are an enemy of Valour.
You are a bitter enemy of Compassion.


 You were able to use Life magic before.


  [Character Equipment]

a) a Spear (Defender) (1d6) (+6,+4) [+2] (+2 to stealth)
{Sl;AcElFiCoCf;FaSiRgLvWr(Dx}
b) (wielding with two-hands)
c) a Heavy Crossbow of Extra Might (x5) (+14,+15) {Di;Xm dlvl 80 ?oAcq}
d) a Rusty Ring of Damage and Heroism (+12)
e) a Corundum Ring of Flames [+7]
f) (nothing)
g) a Feanorian Lamp of Immolation
h) Black Clothes of Resist Cold [4,+16] (+2 to stealth)
i) an Elven Cloak [4,+10] (+4 to stealth)
j) a Metal Cap [3,-1]
k) (nothing)
l) a Pair of Soft Leather Boots of Levitation [2,+3]


  [Character Inventory]

a) 2 Chaos Spellbooks [Sign of Chaos] {@m1 !k!k}
b) 2 Chaos Spellbooks [Chaos Mastery] {@m2 !k!k}
c) a Craft Spellbook [Handbook for Pupils] {@m5 !k!k}
d) a Craft Spellbook [Note of Acting Master] {@m7 !k!k mimic quest}
e) 9 Cloudy Potions of Heroism
f) 15 Oily Yellow Potions of Cure Serious Wounds
g) 5 Shimmering Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
h) a Green Speckled Potion of Healing {!*}
i) 16 Scrolls titled "klis glenash" of Teleportation {!*}
j) a Magnesium Rod of Trap Location {!k!k!d!d}
k) an Iron Rod of Recall {!*!*}
l) a Lead Rod of Teleport Other {!*}
m) a Platinum Rod of Stone to Mud {!k!k!d!d}
n) a Locust Staff of Perception (2 charges)
o) 29 Bolts (1d5) (+0,+0) (90/67) {@f1 !k =g}


  [Home Inventory]

 ( page 1 )
a) 13 Chaos Spellbooks [Sign of Chaos] {@m1 !k!k}
b) a Craft Spellbook [Grade Holder's Book] {@m6 !k!k}
c) a Death Spellbook [Black Channels] {mimic quest}
d) 8 Life Spellbooks [Book of Common Prayer] {@m5 !k!k}
e) 3 Life Spellbooks [High Mass] {@m6 !k!k}
f) 2 Dark Green Potions of Speed {!*}
g) 3 Green Speckled Potions of Healing {!*}
h) a Staff (5 charges)
i) a Driftwood Amulet of Anti-Teleportation
j) Adamantite Plate Mail (-4) [40,+0]
k) a Dagger (Trump Weapon) (1d4) (+5,+10) (+2 to searching)
l) 68 Bolts (1d5) (+0,+0) (90/67) {@f1 !k =g}


  [Museum]

 ( page 1 )
a) The Small Sword 'Sting' (1d6) (+7,+8) (+2 attacks)
b) The Bastard Sword 'Calris' (5d4) (-20,+20) (+5) {cursed}


  [Check Sum: "07d98b188b784e05ec"]

Posted on 22.7.2006 03:25
Last updated on 23.7.2006 03:42

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On 22.7.2006 03:29 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
[Dlvl 7] [Clvl 20] 1:00

Decided to try the artifactless challenge on this character.

As I see it, having no artifacts is problematic for 3 reasons: damage output, resistances, and speed. Melee damage output can't really be helped, but a pure Nuker should be OK, so I thought Mage. My race choice was down to Klackon or Skeleton or Vampire or Half-Titan, and I ended up choosing Skeleton for RPois and RShards.


On 22.7.2006 03:41 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
Hm, just realized I won't be able to use Incanus. Let's see, end-game gear should be something like this then:

Weapon: Defender or Holy Avenger
Off-hand: Shield of Resistance or Wizardstaff or Dragon Shield
Ranged: Shooter of Extra Might
Ring1: of Speed
Ring2: of Speed or of Lordly Protecction
Amulet: of Resistance or of Brilliance
Light: Feanorian Lamp of Immortal Eye
Armor: Balance Dragon Scale Mail or Black Clothes of Resistance
Cloak: Shadow or Elven Cloak of Aman
Helm: Crown of Might
Gloves: Dragon Gloves of Agility or FA
Boots: Boots of Speed

On 22.7.2006 18:32 Mat wrote:
Another problem is the lack of an option to disable artefacts... Of course you can throw them away, but you'll lose many excellent drop chances this way...

Good luck anyway..

On 22.7.2006 21:27 stile@imsa.edu wrote:
This sounds really neat. I'm probably going to go with you on this one. I was JUST doing a related but not the same idea. I was playing a purely randart character, able to use no std artifacts. But he died at like level 35 when I was careless.

I have a viable high mage I'm playing now, but I'll be joining you in this challenge very soon. I might do a melee type though.

On 23.7.2006 01:24 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
[Dlvl 11] [Clvl 24] 2:00

Well, normally I'd be upset with a Mimic Quest yielding 0 artifacts, but in this case, I got 2 3rd level books (Death and Craft), so it's pretty decent. Unfortunately, I took Chaos as my first school, which means that if I switch to Craft, then I have 0 detection abilities. Hm. Maybe I shouldn't have sold those Rods of Door/Stair Location and Trap Location.

On 23.7.2006 01:56 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
Hm... yet another thought on how to balance Mages to be up to the par of melee-types in Entro-band:

Allow them to change realms for the first school. Maybe make it somewhat risky or costly (i.e. it costs you 5 "studies" to change first realm in addition to the spells you need to pick up).

On 23.7.2006 02:43 stile@imsa.edu wrote:
One amusing thing to remind you, if you haven't thought about it....

Make sure you "lose" the phial, shiva boots, and so on so you can at least get a scroll of aquirement.

On 23.7.2006 03:42 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
Completed Vault, and tearfully parted with Sting and Calris by donating them to the Museum.

Wondering if I'm ready for the Killing Fields. Have Haste Self and Stone Skin (for about 100 AC), but damage output is really quite piddly.

On 23.7.2006 04:51 jmiddendorf@hmc.edu wrote:
Is there no artifactless option? I seem to recall ironman_restrict_artifacts, or somesuch in some variant. At the very worst, that would increase the number of ego items generated, by a little.

On 23.7.2006 06:15 stile@imsa.edu wrote:
Yeah, I don't think there's any such option in entroband. I wish there were that and one that removes all standard artifacts from play (as an ironman option). Then it would truly be utterly random what you find, and you would have to put together unique eq sets.

Btw Dzhang, why'd you bother doing vault? Or did you clear it for exp/loot? I mean you could just fail it to go do killing fields for exp if you wanted. On my berserker I failed straight to killing fields. But not for exp, for the life potion.

On 23.7.2006 07:10 stile@imsa.edu wrote:
I'm trying a high mage (chaos) in this vein. I must say though -- if this guy dies, I may have to go weaponsmith. That class is amusingly set up just with no artifacts in mind.

On 23.7.2006 09:09 stile@imsa.edu wrote:
Ok, sorry to clutter up your character, but I was thinking about this more.

How are you going to get around using two rings of speed? The highest boots of speed I've ever personally found were 7, and they were dragon and nice. I guess if you get a solid cloak of the bat that could offset needing two rings of speed. I just find it hard to figure out how you're going to get enough speed (on top of the rest of the issues). The more I think about melee, the more problems it has. But you already thought that out it appears.

On 23.7.2006 10:33 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
Well, Stile (sorry, I don't remember what your real name is), I'm pretty sure Boots of Speed actually go up to about +10, but I wasn't planning on one higher than +7. Though, typically, at clvl 31 I start destroying everything non-artifact.

A Ring of Speed (+13) or higher is a fairly typical take for me by the late-game, so I was thinking that's about +20 Speed. That, plus if I end up with a School that gives Haste in some form or other (i.e. Ultimate Resistance), and it should be do-able. Elliot and I both about several winners with around that range of speed. Though I won't rule out the possibility of another Speed Ring.

But the other thing I was thinking was annoying was CON. My character's intrinsic limit is 18/110, with a -2 mod due to race/class/pers, that's 18/90. Even with a Crown of Might +3, that's still only 18/120. If I scum for the Resilient mutation, that's *still* only 18/160. So a Ring of Reinforce Muscle (+4) or Ring of CON (+6) might be necessary...

Hm, now there's an idea. I hadn't ever played the Weaponsmith class before, just because it seems so gimpy, but I suppose you're right in that it does lend itself well to Artifactless-play.

Though, if you really want to be strict about not using artifacts, I'd say you shouldn't be allowed to drain artifacts for their essences either, which makes getting Speed essence a PiTA.

On 23.7.2006 10:51 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
Why High-Mage? I never really found them to be very redeeming, and played one in Nature only to show that I could do it. The decreased cost and fail rate aren't really that much of a boon, since you have Eat Magic, and can just scum for tons of Rods and !oRestoreMana if you have the patience.

I did Vault hoping to find some stat-potions, and also as a test to see how good my character's Superb stealth is at this point . I did find one !oCharisma.

Still not tackling Killing Fields. I can do 40 unresistable damage per turn several ways, but I usually want at least 100 to go in. Chaos Channels with its "Disintegrate" spell would be really sweet, so I'm thinking to wander around Castle to try to find a copy.

On 23.7.2006 11:02 dzhang@its.caltech.edu wrote:
Oh, the other class that might do quite well on Artifactless is Archer. Ego equivalents of Bard and Belthronding are pretty frequently found, in my experience. Magic-Eater might do OK as well, if you can manage to find enough attack devices.

On 24.7.2006 00:05 stile@imsa.edu wrote:
I am kind of newer here, my name is Aaron. I never really knew any of you regulars names either. I just posted a lot more recently. Why high-mage... Hah, that's more just my personality. I'm kind of an all or nothing person. So if I'm going to cast I am going to only cast 1 magic realm. But as far as logic and actual class merits go, doing high-mage over mage isn't very wise, I'd have to admit.

Disintegrate is pretty neat as a spell. I had a high mage who got about 37 who used that spell a ton. I was just about where I was about to shift to rockets, but it was still like 4 percent failure.

On boots of speed... That newer guy who did calvary found 10, so they'd definitely go that high. But I wouldn't say you could depend on finding higher than 5-7. 12-13 on a ring of speed (though I recently found a 17, which shocked me). But as you said, as long as you can cast haste self, 20ish might be doable.

I'm amused by the idea you couldn't drain artifacts (as weaponsmith). Would you also consider selling artifacts and then shop scumming for good ego items a no go too then? :)

On 24.7.2006 00:18 stile@imsa.edu wrote:
I do think monk would be winnable with non artifacts. They do about 550 damage naked at level 50 or so. +5 speed at level 50 naked. The challenging thing would be covering the resists. You could do draconian if you wanted basic 5. Though an amulet of resistance would do as well. So maybe a different race to cover nether or some other harder resistence. I think after I eat dinner I may have to give a monk a go.

On 9.8.2006 01:23 chriskousky@hotmail.com wrote:
My artifactless thoughts are with the beastmaster. Riding a Lord of Change, you should be able to push +35 to +40 speed with no equipment (+20 average base +5 riding bonus + 10 haste, but you can find them up to +30 base speed). A fragile mount, which is where Heal Monster comes in. So speed should not be an issue. As for the damage output problem, you could probably win the game with an *average* Heavy Lance (Aahhh, there's a thought ... No artifacts or excellent items!), but Extra Attacks or Force would be competive with any other weapon in the game. So damage output should be fine. As for resistances, well, dragon boots, dragon gloves, dragon scale mail, cloak of aman, helm of might, amulet of resistance, etc.

Should be doable.


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