The Angband Ladder: Razor, Dragon Monster by chris

  [PosChengband 1.0.26 Character Dump]
              ***LOSER***
 Name       : Razor                        ========== Stats ==========
 Sex        : Male                               STR  :     18/92
 Personality: Combat                             INT  :     18/19
 Race       : Dragon                             WIS  :         7
 Subrace    : Crystal Drake                      DEX  :    18/134
 Class      : Monster                            CON  :     18/83
                                                 CHR  :     18/79

 Level      :       34                           HP   :   -75/457
 Cur Exp    :   813396                           SP   :       0/0
 Max Exp    :   813396                           AC   :       115
 Adv Exp    :   962500                           Speed:        +8

                                           ========== Skills =========
 Gold       :   152393                     Melee      : Legendary[12]
 Kills      :     5743                     Ranged     : Good
 Uniques    :       61                     SavingThrow: Superb
 Artifacts  :       22                     Stealth    : Superb
                                           Perception : Heroic
 Game Day   :       30                     Searching  : Heroic
 Game Time  :    11:21                     Disarming  : Excellent
 Play Time  :    07:59                     Device     : Superb

============================= Character Equipment =============================

a) The Ring of Deliverance (+10,+6) [+4] (+3) {Wi;Fi;Fa, !!}
b) The Ring of Luck (+7,+6) (+5 to searching) {DxSr;PoNt;Hl}
c) a Ring of Nexus Resistance
d) a Ring of Slaying (+8,+9)
e) a Ring of Resistance and Damage (+0,+5)
f) a Ring of Speed (+5)
g) an Amulet of Resist Acid
h) The Stone of Lore
i) an Elven Cloak of Stealth [4,+11] (+7 to stealth)
j) an Iron Helm of Intelligence [5,+6] (+2)


                  =                                         =
              abcdefghij@                               abcdefghij@
 Acid       : ....+.+....  65%             Speed      : .....+....+
 Elec       : ....+......  50%             Free Act   : +.........+
 Fire       : +...+......  65%             See Invis  : ..........+
 Cold       : ....+.....+  65%             Warning    : ...........
 Poison     : .+.........  50%             SlowDigest : ...........
 Light      : ...........   0%             Regenerate : ...........
 Dark       : ...........   0%             Levitation : ..........+
 Confusion  : ..........+  50%             Perm Lite  : ...........
 Nether     : .+.........  50%             Reflection : ...........
 Nexus      : ..+........  50%             Hold Life  : .+.........
 Sound      : ...........   0%             Sust Str   : ...........
 Shards     : ..........+  50%             Sust Int   : .........+.
 Chaos      : ...........   0%             Sust Wis   : ...........
 Disenchant : ...........   0%             Sust Dex   : ...........
 Time       : ...........   0%             Sust Con   : ...........
 Blindness  : ...........   0%             Sust Chr   : ...........
 Fear       : ..........+                  Dec Mana   : ...........
 Aura Fire  : ...........                  Easy Spell : ...........
 Aura Elec  : ...........                  Anti Magic : ...........
 Aura Cold  : ...........                  Telepathy  : ...........

                  =                                         =
              abcdefghij@                               abcdefghij
 Slay Evil  : ...........                  Telepathy  : ...........
 Slay Undead: ...........                  ESP Evil   : ...........
 Slay Demon : ...........                  ESP Noliv. : ...........
 Slay Dragon: ...........                  ESP Good   : ...........
 Slay Human : ...........                  ESP Undead : ...........
 Slay Animal: ...........                  ESP Demon  : ...........
 Slay Orc   : ...........                  ESP Dragon : ...........
 Slay Troll : ...........                  ESP Human  : ...........
 Slay Giant : ...........                  ESP Animal : ...........
 Acid Brand : ...........                  ESP Orc    : ...........
 Elec Brand : ...........                  ESP Troll  : ...........
 Fire Brand : ...........                  ESP Giant  : ...........
 Cold Brand : ...........                  Device Pow : ...........
 Pois Brand : ...........                  Spell Pow  : ...........
 Mana Brand : ...........                  Spell Cap  : ...........
 Sharpness  : ...........                  Infravision: ...........  50'
 Quake      : ...........                  Stealth    : ........+..
 Vampiric   : ...........                  Searching  : .+......+..
 Chaotic    : ...........                  Cursed     : ...........
 Add Blows  : ...........                  Rnd Tele   : ...........
 Blessed    : ...........                  No Tele    : ...........
 Riding     : ...........                  Drain Exp  : ...........

                  =
              abcdefghij@   Base  R  C  P  E  Total
        STR : ...........  18/72  1  0  1  0  18/92
        INT : .........2.  18/19 -1  0 -1  2  18/19
        WIS : 3..........     11 -6  0 -1  3      7
        DEX : .5.........  18/74  0  0  1  5 18/134
        CON : ...........  18/83  0  0  0  0  18/83
        CHR : ...........  18/79  0  0  0  0  18/79

==================================== Melee ====================================

 Attack : Your Claw (3d9)                                   Accuracy
 Weight : 19.0 lbs                                           AC Hit
 To Hit : 11 + 38 = 49                                       25 89%
 To Dam : 5 + 31 = 36                                        50 83%
 Blows  : 4                                                  75 77%
 Damage                                                     100 71%
 Crits  : 1.13x + 1.04                                      125 65%
 Normal : 214 (160-268)                                     150 59%
                                                            175 53%
                                                            200 47%


 Attack : Your Bite (4d14)                                  Accuracy
 Weight : 38.0 lbs                                           AC Hit
 To Hit : 11 + 38 = 49                                       25 89%
 To Dam : 5 + 31 = 36                                        50 83%
 Blows  : 1                                                  75 77%
 Damage                                                     100 71%
 Crits  : 1.21x + 1.94                                      125 65%
 Normal : 72 (41-104)                                       150 59%
                                                            175 53%
                                                            200 47%


=================================== Powers ====================================

                     Lvl Cost Fail Desc
Breathe                1   23   4% dam 1
Treasure Seeking       5    5   6% 
Terrify               10   10   4% 
Confuse               10   10   4% 
Slow                  10   10   4% 


================================ Last Messages ================================

> You claw the Time elemental.
> You miss the Time elemental.
> You claw the Time elemental. <x2>
> You bite the Time elemental.
> You have destroyed the Time elemental.
> You have 9 charges remaining.
> You claw the Tiger.
> You miss the Tiger.
> You claw the Tiger.
> You have slain the Tiger.
> You see a Tiger Corpse.
> Auto-destroying a Tiger Corpse.
> You failed to concentrate hard enough!
> You sense the presence of magic objects!
> You sense the presence of monsters!
> You cannot run in that direction. <x2>
> Your Rod of Detection is recharged.
> You cannot run in that direction. <x3>
> It creates a mesmerising illusion.
> You disbelieve the feeble spell.
> It drains power from your muscles!
> You are unaffected!
> It breathes gas.
> The Emperor wight resists a lot.
> You feel scared.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! *** Press Space to continue.
> It breathes gas.
> The Emperor wight resists a lot.
> You stand your ground!
> Who knocked?
> Goodbye, Razor!


=================================== Dungeons ==================================

 Angband         : level  24
!Camelot         : level  35
!Orc cave        : level  23
!Labyrinth       : level  28
 Mountain        : level  27
 Icky cave       : level  31
 Lonely Mountain : level  39

 You were killed by a Drolem on level 39 of Lonely Mountain.

 Last Message: Who knocked?



==================================== Quests ===================================
< Completed Quest >
  Thieves Hideout                          (Danger  level:   5) - level  4
  Warg problem                             (Danger  level:   5) - level 10
  Orc Camp                                 (Danger  level:  15) - level 18
  Doom Quest 1                             (Danger  level:  15) - level 21
  Grishnakh, the Hill Orc                  (Dungeon level:   6) - level 23
  Lady Zhurong, the Avatar of Flame Spirit (Dungeon level:  12) - level 23
  The Sewer                                (Danger  level:  15) - level 23
  Grendel                                  (Dungeon level:  24) - level 27
  Old Man Willow Quest                     (Danger  level:  22) - level 28
  Dark Elven Lords Quest                   (Danger  level:  25) - level 28
  The Mimic's Treasure                     (Danger  level:  25) - level 28
  Tengu and Death Swords                   (Danger  level:  25) - level 28
  Logrus Master                            (Danger  level:  25) - level 31
  The Vault                                (Danger  level:  30) - level 31
  The Barrow Downs                         (Danger  level:  35) - level 31

< Failed Quest >
  Nothing.


 Arena:  0 Victory


============================== Defeated Monsters ==============================

You have defeated 5743 enemies including 61 unique monsters in total.

< Unique monsters top 20 >
  Kavlax the Many-Headed                   (level  39)
  Rogrog the Black Troll                   (level  36)
  The Greater Hell Magic Mushroom Were-Quylthulg (level  36)
  Morgana Le Fay                           (level  35)
  The Minotaur of the Labyrinth            (level  35)
  King Koopa                               (level  34)
  Ulfang the Black                         (level  34)
  Fasolt the Giant                         (level  33)
  Bill the Stone Troll                     (level  33)
  Bert the Stone Troll                     (level  33)
  Bokrug                                   (level  33)
  That @$^%& Black Bat                     (level  33)
  Arthur Pendragon                         (level  32)
  Luigi                                    (level  31)
  Sir Gawain                               (level  29)
  Jaian, the Boss of the Kids              (level  29)
  The Ultimate Dungeon Cleaner             (level  28)
  Grendel                                  (level  27)
  Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang                   (level  26)
  Red Helm, the King of Bear               (level  25)


=================================== Virtues ===================================

Your alighnment : Chaotic

You have strayed from the path of Individualism.
You have strayed from the path of Patience.
You are the polar opposite of Diligence.
You are a great champion of Harmony.
You are a bitter enemy of Valour.
You are the living embodiment of Temperance.
You are the polar opposite of Compassion.
You have strayed from the path of Justice.


============================= Character Inventory =============================

a) 29 Rations of Food
b) 33 Potions of Curing
c) 31 Scrolls of Teleportation
d) 5 Rods of Trap Location {@z1!s!d!k}
e) 4 Rods of Recall {@zr!s!d!k}
f) 6 Rods of Illumination {@z5!s!d!k}
g) a Rod of Detection {@z3!s!d!k!!}
h) 5 Rods of Monster Location {@z4!s!d!k}
i) 5 Wands of Teleport Other (60 charges) {@at!s!d!k}
j) 11 Wands of Stone to Mud (132 charges) {@am!s!d!k}
k) a Staff of Enlightenment (9 charges) {@um}


================================ Home Inventory ===============================

 ( page 1 )
a) a Thieves' Guide [Great Escapes]
b) an Armageddon Spellbook [Path of Destruction]
c) 2 Necromancy Spellbooks [Return of the Dead]
d) a Crusade Spellbook [Exorcism and Dispelling]
e) a Crusade Spellbook [Wrath of God]
f) 4 Arcane Spellbooks [Manual of Mastery]
g) a Trump Spellbook [Trumps of Doom]
h) a Chaos Spellbook [Chaos Channels]
i) a Life Spellbook [Book of the Unicorn]
j) a Mushroom of Restoring {!E}
k) 58 Rations of Food
l) 12 Pieces of Elvish Waybread

 ( page 2 )
a) 41 Potions of Speed {!k!q}
b) 13 Potions of Resist Heat {!k!q}
c) 12 Potions of Resist Cold {!k!q}
d) 30 Potions of Heroism
e) 3 Potions of Berserk Strength
f) 24 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
g) 18 Potions of Healing {!k!q}
h) 2 Potions of *Healing* {!k!q}
i) 9 Potions of Restore Life Levels
j) 5 Potions of Restore Constitution
k) 12 Potions of Enlightenment
l) a Potion of Self Knowledge {!k}

 ( page 3 )
a) 12 Potions of Resistance {!k!q}
b) 17 Scrolls of Phase Door
c) 26 Scrolls of Teleportation
d) 6 Scrolls of *Identify*
e) 28 Scrolls of Remove Curse
f) 4 Scrolls of *Remove Curse*
g) 2 Scrolls of Mundanity
h) 3 Scrolls of Magic Mapping
i) 5 Scrolls of Holy Chant
j) 6 Scrolls of Monster Confusion
k) 14 Scrolls of Protection from Evil
l) 4 Scrolls of Rune of Protection

 ( page 4 )
a) 2 Scrolls of Destruction {!*}
b) 6 Scrolls of Forest Creation
c) a Scroll of Mana
d) 8 Rods of Trap Location {@z1!s!d!k}
e) 8 Rods of Door/Stair Location {@z2!s!d!k!!}
f) 2 Rods of Enlightenment
g) a Rod of Teleport Other
h) 11 Rods of Disarming
i) a Rod of Stone to Mud
j) a Rod of Aggravate Monster
k) a Rod of Escaping
l) a Wand of Rockets (4 charges)

 ( page 5 )
a) a Staff of Perception (21 charges) {@u1!s!d!k}
b) 2 Staffs of Perception (2x 19 charges) {@u1!s!d!k}
c) a Staff of Perception (13 charges) {@u1!s!d!k}
d) 3 Staffs of Perception (3x 11 charges) {@u1!s!d!k}
e) a Staff of Starlight (11 charges)
f) 5 Staffs of Enlightenment (5x 11 charges) {@um}
g) 2 Staffs of Enlightenment (2x 8 charges)
h) a Staff of Enlightenment (8 charges)
i) a Staff of Cure Wounds (12 charges)
j) a Staff of Cure Wounds (9 charges)
k) a Staff of Cure Wounds (7 charges)
l) 2 Staffs of Curing (2x 8 charges)

 ( page 6 )
a) 3 Staffs of Curing (3x 7 charges)
b) a Staff of Curing (5 charges)
c) a Staff of Speed (8 charges) {@us}
d) a Ring of Flames [+10]
e) a Ring of Ice [+10]
f) a Ring of Poison Resistance
g) a Ring of Dexterity (+4)
h) a Ring of Damage (+8)
i) a Ring of Damage (+7)
j) a Ring of Damage (+6)
k) a Ring of Damage (+4)
l) 2 Rings of Damage (+3)

 ( page 7 )
a) The Ring of Luck (+0,+3) {PoBl;FaRg}
b) a Ring of Slaying (+9,+5)
c) a Ring of Fear Resistance
d) a Ring of Light and Darkness Resistance
e) 3 Rings of Nether Resistance
f) 2 Rings of Nexus Resistance
g) 3 Rings of Sound Resistance
h) 2 Amulets of Resist Acid
i) an Amulet of Intelligence (+3)
j) an Amulet of Intelligence (+2)
k) The Incandescent Light of Yeduson (+3 to infravision)
l) The Phial 'Sungazer' (+1 to infravision) {StIf;Lu(St}

 ( page 8 )
a) The Phial of Galadriel (+1 to searching)
b) The Rusty Chain Mail 'Salamander' (-5) [14,+17]
c) The Ring Mail of Champion (-2) [12,+17] (+3 to searching)
d) The Chain Mail of Arvedui (-2) [14,+15] (+2)
e) The Splint Mail 'Great unclean one' (-2) [19,+12] (+2 to speed)
{Sp;ElFiPoLiSoFe;Te[FC}
f) The Filthy Rag 'Magi's Seeing' [1,+19] (+2 to searching)
g) The Hard Leather Armour of Icarus (+2,+6) [6,+30]
h) The Cloak of Martin [1,+12] (+3 to searching) {InSr;BlDi(In}
i) The Cloak of Merry (+1,+1) [1,+7] (+1)
j) The Set of Gauntlets of Thanos (-11,-12) [2,+0] (+2) {cursed, 4.1Mgp}
k) The Dagger of Fiona (3d4) (+6,+9) (+1)
l) a Main Gauche (Defender) (1d5) (+14,+16) [+4] (+1 to stealth)

 ( page 9 )
a) The Two-Handed Sword 'Hrunting' (4d6) (+13,+21) (+4)
b) a Blade of Chaos (Armageddon) (7d7) (+7,+6) {|E}
c) The Beaked Axe of Hurin (3d6) (+10,+12) [+2] (+2)
d) The Broad Axe 'Barukkheled' (2d6) (+13,+19) (+3)
e) The Light Crossbow of Wilhelm Tell (x5) (+40,+13) (+4)


==================================== Museum ===================================

 ( page 1 )
a) The Cord Armour of Freezing [6,-13] (-3 to infravision) {cursed,
If;Bl;TeAgTy[M}
b) The Long Sword of Losing (2d5) (-19,-12) {cursed, TeTy[M|F}



=================================== Options ===================================

 Preserve Mode:      ON
 Small Levels:       ON
 Arena Levels:       OFF

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Posted on 27.6.2013 23:19
Last updated on 29.6.2013 17:25

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On 27.6.2013 23:19 chris wrote:
[CL22:DL22] 01:35
OK, I got tempted into a copycat dragon, but I'll do crystal rather than law.

I do agree that dragons start rather slow. Early on, its hard to get more than say 40 or 50 damage per round, and with an AC below 40, life is tough. At one point I was panic teleporting on DL18 of the orc caves, ping ponging back and forth from packs of monsters. Having killed 100+ monster on the level, it seemed like their were still several hundred more to go, including many I could just no way handle. Like Carrions, that are fast, and hit for about 40% of my hp in a single round of melee. And Hippogriffs are similary. As is Nar the Dwarf. And those were the solitary guys. Never mind Shagrat whose probably a bit tougher than all those guys and spawned with about 80 of his closest buddies. And Hellcats. And ... And ... Oh, I forgot the Umber Hulks. Yeah, I burned thru 20 or so ?Teleport and was lucky to have them at that point in the game (Farmer dropped a 10k life weapon). Plus all my !CCW. Sigh ...

But now that I've got a few key rings, I'm starting to gain some traction. Damage output is still about 70 or so but my AC is now 100 which means I can finally survive as a melee character long enough to beat down the amazing monster swarms.

Of course, my early stat boosts really discouraged me, coming up 1/100 and then 2/100 from the elusive 3rd claw attack. But I've since surrendered my starting baby stat rings, so now I no longer feel so bad :)


On 27.6.2013 23:37 Arjen wrote:
You need the +oDamage I just found... +17 and +16.

And babydragons should be weak. I never pay attention to baby elemental dragon at all. Easy early money.

But for player dragons, I find the evolution of them a bit weak. You expect more of a power-up as dragon.

Also the breath weapon stuff should be a main weapon for a dragon, it's scarier than their melee (untill you get enough resists). But making it cost your life makes it less useful (in my opinion, but I don't like hp-as-sp kind of abilities in general.). Monsterdragons don't die either using their breath. I would make them cost mana, but just give them not a lot of mana so you can't go berserk with them.

On 28.6.2013 00:12 chris wrote:
I can try to come up with HP alternatives for monster powers. But the current code base really treats SP as a mage-based flavor. For example, using SP has the following defaults, all of which are wrong for dragons IMO:
[1] You can't use powers when blinded.
[2] Your powers are blocked by anti-magic.
[3] Your powers are blocked by berserk.
[4] You regain SP with potions of clarity and restore mana.
[5] You regain SP with the staff of the magi.
[6] Jellies can drain SP from dragons making them unable to breathe? What??
[7] Undead drain mana attacks also don't make sense.

Some of the new monster races do use SP (Lich, Demon, Angel, Beholder) and for those, I think it is more flavorful. I'll think about this a bit ... Perhaps a new MP mechanic is needed (for monster power) that behaves the way I think it should. But I actually do like the HP mechanic. As you breathe, you do actually spend your physical power a bit and become weaker, and this nerfs shoot and scoot mechanics.

As for breath as primary weapon, that definitely can be the case for most dragons. Elemental dragons can breathe for up to 900hp and even at an early point in the game, their breaths are formidable as they get a much more favorable damage percentage calculation. For dragons whose breaths actually work in the end game, their power is toned down quite a bit or else nobody would play an elemental dragon (Elemental dragons also get branding on their bites!). Still, I'll be able to breathe for 450hp of shards damage in the end, which is fairly powerful, moreso than a wand of rockets. I'd hesitate to make damage much more than this, though I could probably be talked into 500hp (or perhaps a better damage calc so that you can breathe at full damage for longer as you spend HP on your breaths).

As for powerups, they are designed to be on par with other player classes, perhaps as powerful as monks (well, maybe not quite that powerful). I really think they are OK for the endgame, and the early game in Poschengband is deliberately meant to be interesting, rather than something you breeze through in an hour or so. I would be willing to move evolution to L35 for certain dragons if L40 is just too long to wait.

On 28.6.2013 15:32 clouded wrote:
Maybe tweaking the evolutions a bit could be good. With monster races I think the most fun part is the evolutions, it gives very significant milestones for you to aim for. Waiting until CL40 for your first one on a race with 300-350% XP is a bit excruciating.

Also, I really like the breath mechanic. Variable power based on current health could be an interesting race idea, especially if you gained health from killing.

On 28.6.2013 16:33 chris wrote:
Yeah, I think evolving at CL35 might be better for a few of the drake -> greater dragonkind races that only have a single evolution. Alternatively, the bestiary could be expanded, but I hesitate as I think it is rather bloated as is. And having Baby Chaos Drake -> Chaos Drake -> Mature Chaos Drake -> Chaos Wyrm -> Great Wyrm of Chaos might not really add that much. After all, they all breathe chaos and disenchantment, right?

The design I went with is a bit different than Posband. One mistake that variant made, IMO, was to tie player melee attacks to their current form. So you were stuck with wimpy melee attacks as a drake until suddenly *bammo*, kick butt greater wyrm melee. So you went underpowered to overpowered but eventually, just having 4 melee blows made you end game underpowered for melee again.

For Poschengband, the design is deliberately different. On the one hand there is evolution to a new form, which generally brings new talents, new resistances and powers, and better stats/hp. But for dragons, your melee is similar to how things were in Drangband (which was a much better design, IMO). Your tooth and claw gradually improve in deadliness as you mature (tied to experience). I've added increasing weight mechanics as well since, after all, you are growing bigger! And I can't remember what Drangband did for the blows calculation, but using player stats is the obvious way to do it. Otherwise, physical stats lose much of their importance. Of course, AC improves gradually with level as well, rather being lumped up into all or nothing evolutionary steps.

So one should think of playing dragons as similar to playing monks, except that you actually start *much* faster (Monks are stuck with just 1 blow until CL10ish and 2 blows until CL20ish ... Dragons can have 3 attacks out of the gate!). Your melee will improve (gradually) as you gain experience, and evolutions, while nice, are not as dramatic as they were in Posband. Perhaps that makes the game less fun? I dunno, but it is much easier to tweak balance the way I have done it. Plus, I really just miss playing Drangband :)

As for early power, you really need to find good rings of damage. You are OK without them, but stack on 4 +15 damage rings and you will roll most monsters for quite some time. I'm just not sure where they might all be hiding, as I can't seem to find *any* this game.

On 28.6.2013 16:35 chris wrote:
[CL27:DL32] 03:27
I finally caught a break with Merry's cloak from an Ogrillon. And the damage rings I've spotted have been rings of something else and damage (low pluses) from the BM. I finally splurged 100k on this Resistance and Damage (+5) since that is just a really nice ring. But I've passed on all the sustain charisma and damage rings, etc.

On 28.6.2013 17:20 chris wrote:
[CL27:Grendel] 03:43
Another BM "ring of damage", this one for a mere 160k. Its only +6 to damage, but I guess I need to sell out for whatever I can get. Man, Grendel was one tough nut to crack, even with my high AC. I blew about 30 !CCW and that even with using ?MonsterConfusion (lucky find on the quest level).

To get the ring, I had to sell Destiny and Thalkettoth. Sad, as I really want to save good arts for reforging!

On 29.6.2013 02:01 chris wrote:
[CL31:DL36] 05:38
I have much more traction now, and nearly double the damage output from my last post. But I still continue to scour the towns in search of the ever elusive ring of damage ... Its just not gonna happen I fear. I've managed about 10 so far with +6 being the outlier on the high end. Otherwise, +3 and +4 are typical, unless the ring is cursed. And *none* in the towns so far. Hmph ...

I could probably do the Barrow Downs now, but the Vault is still iffy. And I really would rather not fail a quest since not only does that end the quest sequence, but it trashes player fame as well.

On 29.6.2013 02:21 chris wrote:
Hah! OK, another "Ring of Damage" in the BM for 256k this time, and still only +6. But at least this one comes with poison and nether resists and a super-sweet +5 dex. But there go all my artifacts again, purged to the goddess of melee :)

On 29.6.2013 17:25 chris wrote:
Well, I never even saw that one coming. It must have been an off screen drolem pit or something?

On 29.6.2013 17:32 chris wrote:
As for testing out dragons, I think I will leave them as is. They are rather powerful and forcing some of the "better" choices to wait longer for evolution is a good thing. CL40 is probably OK.

The one thing that might need addressing, and this goes for all monster races, is that it can be difficult and frustrating to actually find wearable equipment. For dragons, this means cloaks, helmets and rings for the most part. I found gobs of stuff I just couldn't use! I might need to do something about this ...

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