Have I been pronouncing "Angband" wrong all these years?

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  • fizzix
    Prophet
    • Aug 2009
    • 3025

    Have I been pronouncing "Angband" wrong all these years?

    I've always pronounced it with the first "a" a long a, like in the word "hay" and the second a as in the word "band" or "sand"

    I recently heard someone pronounce it with both "a"s sounding like the a in "hah".

    Any Tolkien experts here to verify the correct pronunciation?
  • Nick
    Vanilla maintainer
    • Apr 2007
    • 9634

    #2
    I think (slightly to my surprise) that person was correct. Appendix E of LoTR says "the sounds were approximately those represented by i, e, a, o, u in English machine, were, father, for, brute".

    I have pronounced both a's as in "sand" (and will probably continue to).
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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    • Mondkalb
      Knight
      • Apr 2007
      • 982

      #3
      I think the pronounciation should be like in "Gandalf", with the "a" being more like the german "a" sound or the english a in "fun".
      That's like it was to be pronounciated in the LotR movies according to the involved language expert. Even if Elijah Wood managed to pronounce it wrong most of the time.
      My Angband winners so far

      My FAangband efforts so far

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      • Sky
        Veteran
        • Oct 2016
        • 2321

        #4
        GHENDOLF!!


        yes. Both A are open, like the A in bAbylon.

        Wait until you get to pronouncing Celeborn.
        "i can take this dracolich"

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        • Derakon
          Prophet
          • Dec 2009
          • 9022

          #5
          Originally posted by Sky
          Wait until you get to pronouncing Celeborn.
          That's a tricky one, it's actually pronounced "fish".

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          • ssjs
            Rookie
            • Jun 2018
            • 2

            #6
            I pronounce "an" like "answer", then "band" is like "sand".

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            • Sideways
              Knight
              • Nov 2008
              • 896

              #7
              A "long a" in the sense of the vowel sound from "hay" is a peculiarity of modern English; so in any other language, it's a pretty safe bet that whatever the correct pronunciation of 'a' is, that is not it, unless the word's a direct loan from modern English. In this case, the correct pronunciation - in Sindarin, at any rate - is indeed that of the person you heard. In English it's hard to fault Nick's pronunciation, even if it isn't faithful to the original.

              (Modern English here contrasts not just with other languages, but also with older forms of English, including Old English, which was used [in a mildly adapted form] by Tolkien as a stand-in for the language of the Rohirrim. Old English did have a "long a" sound [the á in the name of Háma, Théoden's doorward]; but it was completely different from the "long a" of Modern English.)
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              • PowerWyrm
                Prophet
                • Apr 2008
                • 2986

                #8
                I'm French so for me it's Anguebande
                PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

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                • fph
                  Veteran
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 1030

                  #9
                  Why are people so surprised that two letters that are both written "a" are pronounced in the same way? Oh, right, English...
                  --
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                  • caruso
                    Adept
                    • May 2011
                    • 164

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Derakon
                    That's a tricky one, it's actually pronounced "fish".
                    Actually, Celeborn is pronounced "ghoti"

                    About "Angband", I dimly remember that, in the German edition of the the Silmarillion, it says that Sindarin words are pronounced more like German rather than English. So, Sky and Mondkalb are probably correct. (I'm too tired right now to fully comprehend Sideway's post though.)

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                    • DrWho42
                      Adept
                      • May 2019
                      • 192

                      #11
                      huh, i've been pronouncing it like "bang" - "sand"
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