v4 dead b4 2014

[Magnate]

In my own experience in open source communities, the project members themselves rarely pick a maintainer; the maintainer selects him/herself by constantly working on the project at a time when the previous maintainer feels like stepping down

This is what happened when takkaria stepped up, and didn't happen when they stepped down. We argued long and hard but as fizzix says, nobody wanted it so we have a leaderless team. (Which, IMO, works very well, whether anyone wants to work on Angband or not.)

But it did happen when Derakon stepped up with Pyrel - he is very much the maintainer / lead dev on that, and the rest of us contribute code to his vision.

So we're running both models concurrently, which is interesting to say the least. I hereby apologise to Derakon for all the times I've had the Angband hat on when arguing arrogantly about Pyrel!

[debo]

In my own experience in open source communities, the project members themselves rarely pick a maintainer; the maintainer selects him/herself by constantly working on the project at a time when the previous maintainer feels like stepping down

I doubt that naming someone "Angband lead" will magically make things happen faster. I don't even care, I'm really excited to see pyrel

[fizzix]

You understood what he said??

Reading rest of the messages, how about naming a proper maintainer again? Dev-team without maintainer doesn't seem to work very well. I miss Robert.

I agree that this would be best. But, can you someone who wants the position? I can only speak for myself, and I don't want it. Do you want to do it?

[Timo Pietilä]

because most people working on v4 have switched over to pyrel.

You understood what he said??

Reading rest of the messages, how about naming a proper maintainer again? Dev-team without maintainer doesn't seem to work very well. I miss Robert.

[Nick]

Any praise you get from LT is very well deserved

[Derakon]

Ah, okay. Sorry for lacking a sense of humor then.

And yes, Pyrel will need a fair amount of time before it's playable. But on the flipside I'm not aware of any non-controversial gameplay changes that Vanilla is really waiting for right now. Bugfixes are still happening.

[LostTemplar]

This was a joke really, a bit of truth in it is that all this pyrel activity really slowed down Angband development, and we (players) have to wait a long way until pyrel will be playable, or start a separate Angband variants.

[Derakon]

I'm with fizzix here. If you want Angband development to continue in what you think is the "proper way", do it yourself. If you want Angband development, at all, then you should be supportive of the devs. If you don't care for the specific changes they're making, then feel free to make your arguments -- it's not like we don't listen to the community -- but making blanket "you guys are doing it wrong" statements is how you drive devs away.

(And I know we have plenty of people here who are supportive of the Angband devs and variant maintainers, and absolutely I appreciate that. I'm also not trying to say that you can't argue with the way Angband development is going. But just throwing around blanket statements about how everything is being done wrong is not constructive)

[fizzix]

Ye, we need to wait until pyerl will reach it's end also, maybe then Angband development will continue in a proper way .

I'm not sure what that means. I mean, I had lots of great ideas that I think improve Angband play, but I got tired of having to deal with defending them against all the naysayers here, so they just remain in my own version for my own enjoyment.

[LostTemplar]

Ye, we need to wait until pyerl will reach it's end also, maybe then Angband development will continue in a proper way .

[fizzix]

because most people working on v4 have switched over to pyrel.

[dos350]

this is first post since dec of last year soz 2 inform

plx lmk when revert 2 3.2

if not lmk why no posts and gl