Pos/Com/Frog Dragon Form

[CyclopsSlayer]

I have always wondered, but never really tried, a Draconian Monk that goes full Dragon transform.
What, if anything does a Monk/Mystic/ForceTrainer gain or lose were they to become a Dragon?

[Gwarl]

you don't get to keep your unarmed combat skills if you become a dragon, basically just your casting ability.

[CyclopsSlayer]

So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

Thanks, will never need to try it then.

[PowerWyrm]

So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

Thanks, will never need to try it then.

Try PWMAngband's dragons

[CyclopsSlayer]

Try PWMAngband's dragons

Thanks, will check it out

[murphy]

So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that?

This isn't correct. Monks lose the martial arts flavored attacks but your claw attack does get a chance to stun, and you keep retaliation.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20391

[wobbly]

Yeah you get to keep some toys but they seem to have most of the problems metamorphed dragons usually have (losing damage in return for a harder slot layout). I'm of the opinion they were never balanced properly. The real dragons have a hard time of it, but there final form has a bunch of nice resists. Transformed dracs aren't going to grow into great wyrms, you've got the downsides with very few ups. Enough good rings, but by then a humanoid has a crazy good gear setup too.

[Pete Mack]

Wobbly--yes. I played dragon way back when in Posband a few times. Most of the species were just awful: terrible damage, and painfully limited use of "branded" attacks; I was unable to win. The big deal for dragon races was PASS_WALL. With that, i was able to win. That is fun, but highly unbalanced.

[Gwarl]

wondering how a dragon would do with composband's reintroduced randart rings

[Pete Mack]

Gwarl--
It was the damage that was a problem. Only 4 blows, and no slays, just a single brand. And base damage scaled for attacking the player, not attacking monsters with thousands of HP.

[murphy]

The randart rings, and improved reforges, both should help dragons a lot. I agree with wobbly, dragon monsters are quite playable, but metamorphosed dragon, even though I think the concept is fun, I've found them to be quite difficult.