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  • CyclopsSlayer
    Swordsman
    • Feb 2009
    • 389

    Pos/Com/Frog Dragon Form

    I have always wondered, but never really tried, a Draconian Monk that goes full Dragon transform.
    What, if anything does a Monk/Mystic/ForceTrainer gain or lose were they to become a Dragon?
  • Gwarl
    Administrator
    • Jan 2017
    • 1025

    #2
    you don't get to keep your unarmed combat skills if you become a dragon, basically just your casting ability.

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    • CyclopsSlayer
      Swordsman
      • Feb 2009
      • 389

      #3
      So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

      Thanks, will never need to try it then.

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      • PowerWyrm
        Prophet
        • Apr 2008
        • 2986

        #4
        Originally posted by CyclopsSlayer
        So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

        Thanks, will never need to try it then.
        Try PWMAngband's dragons
        PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

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        • CyclopsSlayer
          Swordsman
          • Feb 2009
          • 389

          #5
          Originally posted by PowerWyrm
          Try PWMAngband's dragons
          Thanks, will check it out

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          • murphy
            Adept
            • Sep 2009
            • 101

            #6
            Originally posted by CyclopsSlayer
            So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that?
            This isn't correct. Monks lose the martial arts flavored attacks but your claw attack does get a chance to stun, and you keep retaliation.

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            • wobbly
              Prophet
              • May 2012
              • 2627

              #7
              Yeah you get to keep some toys but they seem to have most of the problems metamorphed dragons usually have (losing damage in return for a harder slot layout). I'm of the opinion they were never balanced properly. The real dragons have a hard time of it, but there final form has a bunch of nice resists. Transformed dracs aren't going to grow into great wyrms, you've got the downsides with very few ups. Enough good rings, but by then a humanoid has a crazy good gear setup too.

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              • Pete Mack
                Prophet
                • Apr 2007
                • 6883

                #8
                Wobbly--yes. I played dragon way back when in Posband a few times. Most of the species were just awful: terrible damage, and painfully limited use of "branded" attacks; I was unable to win. The big deal for dragon races was PASS_WALL. With that, i was able to win. That is fun, but highly unbalanced.

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                • Gwarl
                  Administrator
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 1025

                  #9
                  wondering how a dragon would do with composband's reintroduced randart rings

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                  • Pete Mack
                    Prophet
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 6883

                    #10
                    Gwarl--
                    It was the damage that was a problem. Only 4 blows, and no slays, just a single brand. And base damage scaled for attacking the player, not attacking monsters with thousands of HP.

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                    • murphy
                      Adept
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 101

                      #11
                      The randart rings, and improved reforges, both should help dragons a lot. I agree with wobbly, dragon monsters are quite playable, but metamorphosed dragon, even though I think the concept is fun, I've found them to be quite difficult.

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