Hengband 2.1.5 English (Download)

[smbhax]

The ZAngband lineage is still clear:

[smbhax]

It lives!
Even the English world score server still exists:

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Ah, so that's what it looked like. ": )

They just told me today https://github.com/hengband/hengband/issues/2015 that the English world score server is "no longer in operation"--I got a 500 Internal Server Error when trying to submit a (low) score. Apparently you can use the --disable-worldscore parameter with ./configure to turn it off in your build.

They said it was because "there is little demand for it." Maybe it more of us play they'll be inspired to turn it back on. : D

[smbhax]

https://github.com/hengband/hengband/issues/2015[/url] that the English world score server is "no longer in operation"--I got a 500 Internal Server Error when trying to submit a (low) score. Apparently you can use the --disable-worldscore parameter with ./configure to turn it off in your build.D

With the latest code in their dev branch, worldscore is automatically disabled if you're using the --disable-japanese configure option; no need to use the --disable-worldscore command line option anymore.

[smbhax]

The Hengband world map:

[Cryomaniac]

Was the world map changed in recent versions? It's been a while since I played base Hengband, but it looks similar to the one in 1.6.x - 1.7.x versions.

[smbhax]

Was the world map changed in recent versions? It's been a while since I played base Hengband, but it looks similar to the one in 1.6.x - 1.7.x versions.

I don't know, this is my first encounter with it. : )

[smbhax]

Was the world map changed in recent versions? It's been a while since I played base Hengband, but it looks similar to the one in 1.6.x - 1.7.x versions.

Ah, going back to the initial version of the world map in 1.0.7alpha (https://github.com/NickMcConnell/Ang...t/w_info_j.txt), no, it has not changed ever.

Hengband's version.txt (https://github.com/hengband/hengband...lp/version.txt) suggests Hengband 1.0.7 came from Zangband 2.2.8. I went looking in Zangband's source history (https://github.com/NickMcConnell/Ang...mmits/Zangband) but the only world map I could find there started in 2.2.1 (https://github.com/NickMcConnell/Ang...dit/w_info.txt), and is just this tiny thing:

# Wilderness layout
W:D:##########
W:D:#GGGGMVMM#
W:D:#GGG5GGMM#
W:D:#GGG|GGGG#
W:D:#GGG1-2GG#
W:D:#GGDD|DGG#
W:D:#WSFF6FFS#
W:D:#WWSSSSSS#
W:D:#WWWWWWWW#
W:D:##########

that pretty much stayed that way, until Zangband went to a completely randomly generated wilderness in version 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 or something.

[Gwarl]

The Hengband world map:

First time I've realised that it looks like Europe

[Gwarl]

Ah, going back to the initial version of the world map in 1.0.7alpha (https://github.com/NickMcConnell/Ang...t/w_info_j.txt), no, it has not changed ever.

Hengband's version.txt (https://github.com/hengband/hengband...lp/version.txt) suggests Hengband 1.0.7 came from Zangband 2.2.8. I went looking in Zangband's source history (https://github.com/NickMcConnell/Ang...mmits/Zangband) but the only world map I could find there started in 2.2.1 (https://github.com/NickMcConnell/Ang...dit/w_info.txt), and is just this tiny thing:

# Wilderness layout
W:D:##########
W:D:#GGGGMVMM#
W:D:#GGG5GGMM#
W:D:#GGG|GGGG#
W:D:#GGG1-2GG#
W:D:#GGDD|DGG#
W:D:#WSFF6FFS#
W:D:#WWSSSSSS#
W:D:#WWWWWWWW#
W:D:##########

that pretty much stayed that way, until Zangband went to a completely randomly generated wilderness in version 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 or something.

It looks tiny but there's no 'walk in overworld' feature and no map, you have to blunder around in wilderness squares to find anything.

[smbhax]

First time I've realised that it looks like Europe

Yeah, or England/Scotland/Wales specifically--or even a bit like Japan.

[smbhax]

It looks tiny but there's no 'walk in overworld' feature and no map, you have to blunder around in wilderness squares to find anything.

I'm glad you said that; I figured as much since I couldn't find a key to "zoom out" like you can in Hengband, but I wasn't sure I wasn't just missing the command.

And then I think even some of Zangband's documentation says the wilderness came from Kangband, but do you actually walk through wilderness between towns in Kangband? I see wilderness-like areas around the edges of towns, but beyond them, at the edges of the map square, is a big wall.

[Gwarl]

Yeah, or England/Scotland/Wales specifically--or even a bit like Japan.

Huh I can see all three now you mentioned it.

[Gwarl]

I'm glad you said that; I figured as much since I couldn't find a key to "zoom out" like you can in Hengband, but I wasn't sure I wasn't just missing the command.

And then I think even some of Zangband's documentation says the wilderness came from Kangband, but do you actually walk through wilderness between towns in Kangband? I see wilderness-like areas around the edges of towns, but beyond them, at the edges of the map square, is a big wall.

Kangband's 'overworld' isn't. There are 6 or so towns, with wilderness around them that all fit into a 198x66 ordinary angband level. It's cosmetic, but it's pretty, and at the time it was as close to an 'overworld' as angband variants got.