A minimal band

[Djabanete]

Died shortly after... Crebain are horrible

[pav]

Have dump, tried to post, Oook didn't like it, "unknown variant."

Support added.

[Djabanete]

Thanks Pav! That was really fast.

[Antoine]

Fantastic thanks djabanete, keep it up. I realised a bug overnight which is that some rings will be cursed with no means of uncursing . ill fix this in the next release, hopefully over the weekend, but in the meantime dont wield an unidentified ring. Amulets should be ok.

[Antoine]

I'm thinking to replace the frozen spirit with a visible pack cold breather... White wolf perhaps. you will still need si before dreads turn up

[ghengiz]

ill fix this in the next release, hopefully over the weekend

I was going to report you right now the auto-curse ring thing, but you
were faster than me

With this bugfixes, the next release should be good enough for an announce on roguebasin, isn't it?

There are a few issues with the colors in the gcu version, but these are heritages from npp (I already told the maintainer about them in this other thread http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthr...7134#post67134), so they aren't, strictly speaking, problems related to this variant...

[Antoine]

I'll pass the UI gripes along to the NPP guys.

Are Crebain bad enough to need fixing, or just legitimately annoying?

A.

[Antoine]

Djabanete's monster changes, and the rings bugfix, done - download here

UI suggestions not done, but passed on to Jeff.

A.

[thapper]

I've played a few characters in the first alphaversion, which is very playable I must say. A few things I've noticed:

Wands of confusion sometime, on the first attempt at confusing a (sleeping?) monster, give a positive message (foo looks confused) but the foo is not confused. Later attempts usually work and make the monster confused for several turns.

Scrolls of identify offer to identify some of my inventory that I don't think are needed, like spell books and my (average) lantern.

The game feels quite intense and hard, I'm clvl16 and scared to drop below dlvl10 and even at 8 or 9 I'm running away most of the time. Just as intended I suppose.

[Antoine]

Noted on the wands and scroll.

hang in there on the difficulty level. it is supposed to be a bit gritty and nasty. but not too over the top. Let me know how it goes.

also I need to tell the armor store.not to sell dsm

[thapper]

Noted on the wands and scroll.

hang in there on the difficulty level. it is supposed to be a bit gritty and nasty. but not too over the top. Let me know how it goes.

also I need to tell the armor store.not to sell dsm

I know about the nasti/grittiness, and I think the level is ok, for me at least.

[Mikko Lehtinen]

How about the difficulty of DL 1?

I think in most *bands the early levels are too easy. You can just stop thinking until you descend some levels.

[thapper]

DL 1 isn't too scary, which is fine with me (I still died a couple of times). But as soon as you start descending you have to start thinking about what you are doing, on DL 2 or 3 groups of goblins appeared, Shelob chased me at DL7 etc. I should say that I've been testing with stealthy characters without much offensive power, I suppose a standard warrior would have it a bit easier the first levels which is also fine with me. If it would be bad for warriors already on dlvl 1 the weaker guys would not have any way to level up.

[Derakon]

How about the difficulty of DL 1?

I think in most *bands the early levels are too easy. You can just stop thinking until you descend some levels.

You need somewhere for newbies to learn the ropes without being punished too badly for screwing up. If the game requires minimal mistakes right out the bat then newbies' experience will look something like "Die...die...die...die...die...ragequit."

EDIT: that said, you only need two or maybe three dungeon levels for newbies to learn the ropes in. Vanilla could probably ramp up faster than it does.

[ghengiz]

DL 1 isn't too scary, which is fine with me (I still died a couple of times). But as soon as you start descending you have to start thinking about what you are doing, on DL 2 or 3 groups of goblins appeared, Shelob chased me at DL7 etc. I should say that I've been testing with stealthy characters without much offensive power, I suppose a standard warrior would have it a bit easier the first levels which is also fine with me. If it would be bad for warriors already on dlvl 1 the weaker guys would not have any way to level up.

Well, thinking about what you're doing should be a second nature to a roguelike player anyway

Remember, this variant has *half* the dungeon levels of almost any *band (IIRC a few ones have as many levels, only Quick is shorter), so the difficulty curve is a bit steeper than what you could be used to.
That means that you meet more powerful enemies sooner, and therefore you should be a bit more cautious, especially with chars not specialized in melee.