Announce: FayAngband 1.0

[Arendil]

Derakon, you didn't really answer to what I wrote. It's possible that I don't write as clearly as I should, possibly you just didn't understand. I don't know. No offense, but I see no point in continuing. Just one small request, please don't enforce your point of view on others...in this case, you really can't say what's good, bad, better, or worse. Just a matter of opinion.

Cheers.

[Derakon]

I didn't answer to your comments on options and choice, because we fundamentally disagree there and I saw no point in getting into an argument about basic premises. I've done that already fairly recently in another thread and it wasn't much fun for anyone.

Anyway, enough off-topicness in this thread. If you want to continue this conversation, feel free to PM me.

[EpicMan]

To answer Derakon's question about the crawl remark, in Crawl you can't sell items to the shopkeepers.

[Arendil]

Mikko Lehtinen, sorry, I didn't notice your answer.

APPRAISE enables the class to appraise and sell items. However, characters can still only sell *expensive* items. Item's evaluated price -- (I)nspect the item to check it out -- must be at least your minimum depth in feet.

Thanks. That's somewhat partial solution.

Would this do as a compromise between no-selling and selling? The gameplay is much faster, as you don't have to collect everything for selling.

It's not that I have to collect and sell everything. It's the choice and possibility to do so I'm asking for. I appreciate all the work you put into this variant, and like some of it's features. Would it really be impossible to add some tiny birth option to enable or disable normal selling?

Cheers.

[Mikko Lehtinen]

It's not that I have to collect and sell everything. It's the choice and possibility to do so I'm asking for. I appreciate all the work you put into this variant, and like some of it's features. Would it really be impossible to add some tiny birth option to enable or disable normal selling?

Sorry, I'm not going to add this as an option. The game would be very hard to balance with normal selling: for example, rogues would be weaker, and mapping would be much better. I would have to classify it as a cheat option, and I don't like that.

[Mikko Lehtinen]

Because of the fire/frost division, only the first 3 (fire) or 2 (frost) spellbooks are available in the bookshop.

Fixed in the next version.

The mushroom description for a Shaman should show the appropriate effects to avoid the need for notes.

I've tried to hint at both negative and positive effects in the mushroom description. I find that somewhat amusing, if not always totally clear.

Bad effects are either "reversed" or targeted at monsters instead of you, depending on the 'shroom.

Good effects are mostly not altered at all. Except the wound curing 'shrooms, which function at higher power level. For example, cure light wounds becomes cure medium wounds.

If you keep this in mind, there's no great need for notes. I may add this information to the help files.

[SaThaRiel]

One small comment - can you please use another version number when changing the package (like you did on 1st of may)? The problem is that there are md5sums in PKGBUILDs and the script wont work if the same file has a different sum

Also i think that this is a good development behaviour and helps you to track your changes.

[Mikko Lehtinen]

One small comment - can you please use another version number when changing the package (like you did on 1st of may)? The problem is that there are md5sums in PKGBUILDs and the script wont work if the same file has a different sum

Also i think that this is a good development behaviour and helps you to track your changes.

Ah, ok! There were no visible changes in the Linux version, so I didn't consider it a new version. I just fixed a bug that seemingly affected only Windows and Mac versions -- they crashed on startup.

I'll post a bugfix 1.01 version soon.

Mikko

[jevansau]

Further comments - having got a mage below level 50 - the current trap implementation is really annoying - now that vaults are common, but trap detection is rare (only the rare initial mapping) having to guess at where traps might be to disarm them, given limited or slow disarming, forces very conservative gameplay.
If you want to keep traps an important part of gameplay, perhaps an alternative would be to make them detectable, rare and strategically placed, but have no safe magical method of disarming.
I'm also finding I miss the vanilla implementation of item knowledge - particularly being able to judge how much damage devices do.

A bug report - phlogiston doesn't work on (at least some) magic lanterns - Int certainly.

On the other hand - this is still great fun - love the variety of monsters, the mage spell implementation, the stairs and don't mind the no selling.
Thanks again for your efforts.

Regards,
Jonathan

[Mikko Lehtinen]

Further comments - having got a mage below level 50 - the current trap implementation is really annoying - now that vaults are common, but trap detection is rare (only the rare initial mapping) having to guess at where traps might be to disarm them, given limited or slow disarming, forces very conservative gameplay.
If you want to keep traps an important part of gameplay, perhaps an alternative would be to make them detectable, rare and strategically placed, but have no safe magical method of disarming.

I didn't know that you can disarm traps you haven't noticed. If that's so, it's a bug.

Would you say that the trap implementation works fine otherwise, just not in vaults?

I could allow scrolls of detect traps, but make them somewhat expensive. This would make trap detection a limited resource, used mostly in vaults. I could also nerf some of the nastier traps and/or make vaults less common.

I find the repeated casting of detect traps a waste of my playing time (no tactical choices at all), so I don't like the mage spell. Also, I like to have Rogues as best trap detectors.

I'm also finding I miss the vanilla implementation of item knowledge - particularly being able to judge how much damage devices do.

I've considered making a printable PDF with stat bonus tables. I could add a magic item damage table, too. I usually don't like hidden information in games.

I'm not sure if my programming skill is up to the task of stealing this feature from Vanilla.

A bug report - phlogiston doesn't work on (at least some) magic lanterns - Int certainly.

Noted. I'll fix this later.

On the other hand - this is still great fun - love the variety of monsters, the mage spell implementation, the stairs and don't mind the no selling.
Thanks again for your efforts.

Good to hear! This is very valuable feedback.

[Mikko Lehtinen]

I've just got an idea how to make traps more fun without changing the underlying system too much. I'm not going to talk about it yet, as it ties nicely into my super secret plans for a future version.

A hint: I'm going to give players one or a couple of uses of detect traps each dungeon level.

[jevansau]

Another small bug report - the known artifact list under ~ shows the wrong artifacts.

[jevansau]

And a bug with the artifact spellbooks:
The Codex of Ultimate Wisdom (in Inventory) is really the Necronomicon when used, and Mathemagical calculations is really the codex of ultimate Wisdom.

[Mikko Lehtinen]

Thanks for reporting, again!

I just finished a big work-related project, and looks like I'm now able to relax by fixing Fay bugs.

[buzzkill]

Admittedly I haven't overly-searched for secret doors, but I think I should have found some sort of staircase by now. I completely mapped out all the obvious areas of this huge level. I seem to be stuck. Save file attached.