KILL_WALL monsters in vaults

[will_asher]

I thought about forbidding monsters with KILL_WALL being generated in vaults in DaJAngband, but I realized I don't think I've ever actually seen it happen. So I wanted to ask those with more experience with vaults if this would be useful.

It seems to me that it'd be better to keep wall-eating monsters from being generated in vaults, but if they're too rare to be an issue or if they actually add something exciting to the game, then I don't want to forbid it.

[Pete Mack]

It happens all the time -- with interesting effects:
-- in a lesser vault, he opens access for all the monsters inside, and they come out.
-- in a greater vault, you have to go in and get him. (He won't come to you.)

[will_asher]

Why wouldn't it come out from a greater vault? It seems like it wouldn't take it long to find the piece of wall which isn't permanent while you're walking around the vault detecting to see what's inside.

[CyclopsSlayer]

At least in Zangband the last time I came near a GV most of the population was more than happy to come out to greet me... not sure what ate the walls.

[Magnate]

KILL_WALL SCHMILL_WALL ... what about banning monsters with KILL_ITEM from vaults? It drives me nuts when Ariel squashes all the loot before I get get to it ...

[PaulBlay]

KILL_WALL SCHMILL_WALL ...

Oooh ... Now I want to implement SCHMILL_WALL.

[Marble Dice]

KILL_WALL SCHMILL_WALL ... what about banning monsters with KILL_ITEM from vaults? It drives me nuts when Ariel squashes all the loot before I get get to it ...

Dude, my favorite is when there's a poltergeist in there that picks up all the loot, and then leaks out the sealed door to bring it to you. Thanks, buddy!

[will_asher]

Looks like I probably shouldn't forbid KILL_WALL monsters in vaults because they can make interesting things happen.


On another note, I want to celebrate getting a cool new feature to work in DaJAngband:

DaJAngband 1.0.99 now has a quiver!
(Taken straight from NPP- I sent the maintainer an email to see if he minds me doing that much copying from his variant's code.)

[Zikke]

KILL_WALL SCHMILL_WALL ... what about banning monsters with KILL_ITEM from vaults? It drives me nuts when Ariel squashes all the loot before I get get to it ...

Yes, I totally agree with this. So aggravating watching all those !Experience and ?*Aquirement* go poof

[Pete Mack]

Actually, so long as the monsters also have the KILL_BODY flag, I'm all for it. They are just as good as *Destruction* for getting rid of pests and leaving only the artifacts on the floor for convenient collection.

[Nick]

DaJAngband 1.0.99 now has a quiver!
(Taken straight from NPP- I sent the maintainer an email to see if he minds me doing that much copying from his variant's code.)

Do not feel inhibited about pinching stuff from other variants - this is how the *band community works. FA has massive amounts of stuff pinched from other variants, especially Un and NPP (and it's based on O, so really I stole an entire variant there). Many features start in variants and then end up in V - and incorporating things from other varaints into your own is kind of like voting for them.

[Pete Mack]

*Ahem.*
Speaking of which, don't forget to include the fully relational knowledge menu from V/FA or Un. (Depending on whether you want the full menu toolkit.)

If you have a simple (two-table) relation, you can make a browser for it in 5 easy steps!