So I guess rogues really are easier

[sffp]

So I just finished playing (dying) a human warrior who managed to get semi-instadeathed by a mystic down at around 1250
"It summons monsters - you're confused - the 7-headed hydra breaths fire - you die"

It never found an artifiact. Saqara's biggest problem that it had one damage that did better (not great) damage and another one that provided SI/ESP/FA

So I decide to try my first rogue. Grab some cure lights and phase doors
Head into the dungeon. I have literally 4 XP and what do I find

"you see the Dagger 'Narthanc' (1d4) (+9,+12) [+10] (??)"

It literally does more damage than any weapon my warrior ever found.

Resists Fire too...

[DavidMedley]

Yeah, early Narthanc will make any class look good.

[DavidMedley]

But I guess rogue is the best possible fit, with their 2.0 lb min effective weight.

[Monkey Face]

Mages love 'thancs too both from the light weight and the savings in spell points they can help provide.

[moosferatu]

Ha! After losing a ~CL25 paladin to an ancient dragon that I was curious to see how good a *slays* dragons powerfully weapon was against, I just started up a ranger who found on DL1 both Narthanc and Nimthanc (would have been nicer to have found a nice bow or some armor instead of one of them...)! This must be the week they're handing them out on DL1

[archolewa]

Ha! After losing a ~CL25 paladin to an ancient dragon that I was curious to see how good a *slays* dragons powerfully weapon was against, I just started up a ranger who found on DL1 both Narthanc and Nimthanc (would have been nicer to have found a nice bow or some armor instead of one of them...)! This must be the week they're handing them out on DL1

On my second warrior win, the first piece of loot I found was the cloak that gives you all the base resists *and* lets you invoke it to get all the base resists temporarily (don't remember the name). I didn't even know this cloak existed, so you can imagine what my eyes looked like it when I saw it.

The second piece of loot was Narthanc, and they were both in the same room.

Needless to say, that game was probably the closest you can get to cruising to victory in Angband.

[moosferatu]

Wow, I want that cloak!

[Nick]

Colluin

[fph]

the cloak that gives you all the base resists *and* lets you invoke it to get all the base resists temporarily (don't remember the name).

Colluin. Very handy, especially for a class that has no access to temporary resistances.

[Pete Mack]

@fph--
Which is "all classes except mage" in v4.2

[fph]

@fph--
Which is "all classes except mage" in v4.2

Thanks; good to know; I did not imagine they were so rare, but now that I think about the classes I have played it makes sense.

[archolewa]

Actually, I think it's useful for mages too, because I'm pretty sure Colluin grants temporary poison resistance, while a mage's Resistance spell "only" grants resistance to Acid, Fire, Cold, and Lightning. Could be wrong on that though. Haven't played a ton of mages (yet) and I haven't seen Colluin recently.

[Adam]

Mages have resist fire, resist cold, resist poison and resistance spells (later granting the 4 basic resists). So temporary rPoison is available for mages separately.

[Pete Mack]

Not in 4.2. I'd probably carry !rPois instead of Colluin as a mage. Or just TO big poison breathers

[archolewa]

Not in 4.2. I'd probably carry !rPois instead of Colluin as a mage. Or just TO big poison breathers

I guess it depends on what other options you have for cloaks. I usually find rubbish for cloaks, and using that slot to handle all my basic resists gives me tremendous flexibility in my other gear. It also frees up an inventory slot since I don't need to carry rPois. But yes, if you have a better cloak already, then you're better off carrying rPois than using Colluin as a swap.