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  • Chud
    Swordsman
    • Jun 2010
    • 309

    "You fail to harm the thingamy..."

    "You fail to harm the [whatever]" -- under what circumstances should I see this message?

    I have assumed it's when I hit it, but there is some modifier to damage that reduces the damage to (or below) 0. Is there another case where I'd see this? I ask because I am seeing it, and for no obvious reason that I can tell; okay weapon, no ring of the mouse or escaping or such, I'm fed, not stunned, and so on. Possibly there is such a factor that I'm just not noticing.

    This might be a bug, but not sure, so I didn't include it in the bug thread. This is in the Nov 4 nightly to 4.2.0, with the experimental damage dice / O-combat option enabled.
  • Ingwe Ingweron
    Veteran
    • Jan 2009
    • 2129

    #2
    Is your @ stunned? Or, wearing a ring of the mouse? Just some of the things that could legitimately and easily be causing this.
    “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
    ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    • PowerWyrm
      Prophet
      • Apr 2008
      • 2987

      #3
      You're definitely wearing a ring of the mouse.
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      • Pete Mack
        Prophet
        • Apr 2007
        • 6883

        #4
        Stunned is my guess, too. Stunned melee loses both accuracy and damage, and you might get more stunned. It is a very bad deal.

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        • wobbly
          Prophet
          • May 2012
          • 2633

          #5
          Originally posted by Chud
          ... no ring of the mouse or escaping or such, I'm fed, not stunned...
          Are you stunned or wearing a ring of the mouse?

          Now that's out of the way, str drained? shape-shifted?

          I'm not sure how O-combat handles negative deadliness but I had a little try with a 5 str hobbit mage & I was still doing damage. Either there's a bug or you've got a large -dam somewhere.

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          • Chud
            Swordsman
            • Jun 2010
            • 309

            #6
            Not shape shifted (Dwarf warrior), Dex drained a little but not Str.

            Save and randarts file attached if you want to take a look.
            Attached Files

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            • wobbly
              Prophet
              • May 2012
              • 2633

              #7
              Yeah there's definitely something buggy there, possibly with the brand? It goes away when I switch to a non-branded weapon.

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              • wobbly
                Prophet
                • May 2012
                • 2633

                #8
                Code:
                /* Adjust the average for slays and brands. (10x inflation) */
                
                	if (s) {
                
                		die_average *= slays[s].o_multiplier;
                
                		add = slays[s].o_multiplier - 10;
                
                	} else if (b) {
                
                		die_average *= brands[b].o_multiplier;
                
                		add = brands[s].o_multiplier - 10;
                
                	} else {
                
                		die_average *= 10;
                
                	}
                Code:
                add = brands[s].o_multiplier - 10;
                is this actually meant to be an [s]?

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                • Nick
                  Vanilla maintainer
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9647

                  #9
                  Ooh, that looks bad - nice find.
                  One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                  In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                  • Chud
                    Swordsman
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 309

                    #10
                    I changed this to [b] in the linux port and tentatively (haven't been able to test at length yet) seems to have fixed it. I don't have a compiler handy to do the same under windows, but that probably only matters to my local game. :-)

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