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  • Derakon
    Prophet
    • Dec 2009
    • 9022

    #76
    In terms of the best depth to find something, unique or artifact, again it's a hard question to answer. You want to be at at least the native depth of the thing you want to generate, because otherwise there's an extra check the thing has to pass. Once you've done that, generally as you get deeper into the dungeon more monsters/items get generated, so there are more opportunities to generate the one you want, but also more competition for each "generation slot": more potential monsters/items that can be generated.

    My guess is that for killing a specific unique, you should head to that unique's native depth. The theory there being that you just want to clear levels as efficiently as possible until they finally show up. Alternately, preserve Qlzqqlzuup and abuse his unique-summoning spell. For artifacts, you should head to the depth where you can most efficiently generate good items that are of a level within the artifact's depth range. Note that vaults tend to contain exceptionally high-level items and thus may have less of a chance of producing your artifact if its max depth is <100. Being able to spam Enlightenment helps with this of course, though not as much as it did in the days when it didn't do fuzzy detection.

    I remember once as a kid learning that longswords were native to dlvl 20, and therefore heading there with a paladin and level-scumming: enter level, cast Clairvoyance, check every '|' on the map (manually, because this was the days before you could 'l'ook at items outside of LOS), and repeat. It was extremely tedious but did eventually net me Ringil. Doubtless I could have gotten it faster if I'd known what Ringil's native depth was.

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    • Estie
      Veteran
      • Apr 2008
      • 2347

      #77
      Just clear greater vaults on lvl 97/98. Osse will show up that way, too.

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      • Pete Mack
        Prophet
        • Apr 2007
        • 6883

        #78
        Qzlqzzup is a good choice. Just keep teleport him till he gets to a small room. Then wait for him to summon all remaining uniques carry plenty of TO for monsters you don't want.

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        • Sky
          Veteran
          • Oct 2016
          • 2321

          #79
          ok lol i just found out that Bloodthirst can drain PERMANENTLY drain my CON (even with sustain). went from 18/100 to 18/70.
          let's add that spell to the list of spells i will never cast again.
          "i can take this dracolich"

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9634

            #80
            Originally posted by Sky
            ok lol i just found out that Bloodthirst can drain PERMANENTLY drain my CON (even with sustain). went from 18/100 to 18/70.
            let's add that spell to the list of spells i will never cast again.
            Yeah, that might be a bit harsh.
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • Sky
              Veteran
              • Oct 2016
              • 2321

              #81
              97/137 found ..
              "i can take this dracolich"

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              • Sky
                Veteran
                • Oct 2016
                • 2321

                #82
                Originally posted by Sky
                97/137 found ..
                99/137 now.
                Last edited by Sky; May 19, 2018, 23:46.
                "i can take this dracolich"

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                • Sky
                  Veteran
                  • Oct 2016
                  • 2321

                  #83
                  Found it ! Curses and jubilations !
                  "i can take this dracolich"

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                  • geoff_tewierik
                    Adept
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 140

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Sky
                    Found it ! Curses and jubilations !
                    So how good is it?

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                    • Sky
                      Veteran
                      • Oct 2016
                      • 2321

                      #85
                      Originally posted by geoff_tewierik
                      So how good is it?
                      buffed or not buffed?*












                      *purposedly vague answer designed to create tension.
                      "i can take this dracolich"

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                      • Sky
                        Veteran
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 2321

                        #86
                        here's buffed by Bloodthirst:





                        i'm also linking you a zip with the character (level 1) should you want to play with such awesomeness:



                        unbuffed it's a puny 1212 vs Evil, 1662 vs Acid.
                        "i can take this dracolich"

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                        • Pete Mack
                          Prophet
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 6883

                          #87
                          Wait, what? 11 blows per turn?

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                          • wobbly
                            Prophet
                            • May 2012
                            • 2629

                            #88
                            I'm guessing bloodlust? Look at the dump extra blows on the ring and armour. That ring is probably more crazy then the staff

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                            • Sky
                              Veteran
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 2321

                              #89
                              i did not use bloodlust .. bloodthirst... bloodthingie because i had plenty of runes of protection and did not want to step off of it by accident. i had to melee morgoth 28 times to kill him .. no need for more.

                              blackguard is 5 blows base. shield is +2 blows. ring is +2 blows. bloodrage is +2 blows, and you get some damage and hit buff too, but you can also get your stats perma-drained and can also be affected by 1-round confusion, non-preventable.

                              sauron took a mighty 8 rounds to kill. IDK why peter jackson made him seem so though ... pft.
                              "i can take this dracolich"

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                              • geoff_tewierik
                                Adept
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 140

                                #90
                                That's some impressive damage numbers.

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