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  • Nick
    Vanilla maintainer
    • Apr 2007
    • 9338

    New builds now up on the nightlies page with fixes to knowledge leakage bugs found by bron. Source zipfile here.
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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    • Nick
      Vanilla maintainer
      • Apr 2007
      • 9338

      Looks like this last build may have broken weapon and armor descriptions (to-hit, to-dam and to-ac not shown properly). Let me know if you notice it.
      One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
      In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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      • Nick
        Vanilla maintainer
        • Apr 2007
        • 9338

        Fix to the previous fix now on the nightlies page. Once the current comp is finished if there are no more bugs I'll release 4.1.3 fairly soon and hope that's it for 4.1.x.

        *cue bugs*
        One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
        In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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        • bron
          Knight
          • May 2008
          • 504

          *cue bugs*
          I observed a very minor thing, but unfortunately I don't have a savefile for it: My character is wearing a Crown of Serenity. He trips a rock fall trap, and is Stunned, despite having pStun.

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9338

            Originally posted by bron
            I observed a very minor thing, but unfortunately I don't have a savefile for it: My character is wearing a Crown of Serenity. He trips a rock fall trap, and is Stunned, despite having pStun.
            Not a bug, rather an evil feature. Blame Nomad for suggesting rock fall traps should stun, and takkaria for implementing it so they stun unresistably
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • Ingwe Ingweron
              Veteran
              • Jan 2009
              • 2110

              A bug, or just a long-standing nit?

              When @ has multiple rods of the same type, and uses one, they still take up only one inventory slot, with 1 charging. However, when @ has multiple identical rings (e.g., Ring of Digging +5) and uses one, if the wielded now charging ring is returned to inventory it takes up it's own inventory slot until recharged, at which point it is combined back into one slot. Why shouldn't the identical rings be just like the rods, one inventory slot with 1 charging?
              Last edited by Ingwe Ingweron; March 21, 2018, 19:23.
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              • Nick
                Vanilla maintainer
                • Apr 2007
                • 9338

                Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                A bug, or just a long-standing nit?

                When @ has multiple rods of the same type, and uses one, they still take up only one inventory slot, with 1 charging. However, when @ has multiple identical rings (e.g., Ring of Digging +5) and uses one, if the wielded now charging ring is returned to inventory it takes up it's own inventory slot until recharged, at which point it is combined back into one slot. Why shouldn't the identical rings be just like the rods, one inventory slot with 1 charging?
                Rods are already special, in that they are the only things that recharge in the inventory (or on the ground). So the ring is charging in the sense of needing to charge, but not in the sense of actually charging...

                Also note that if we combine the rings, and the player decides now to wear one, the game has to either make a choice as to whether to wear the charging one or not, or ask you (somehow). In fact, if you have two rings of Digging that you've activated and one you haven't, they'll take up three slots between them.

                I'm inclined to leave this as it is - any other opinions?
                One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                • Werbaer
                  Adept
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 182

                  Originally posted by Nick
                  Rods are already special, in that they are the only things that recharge in the inventory (or on the ground). So the ring is charging in the sense of needing to charge, but not in the sense of actually charging...

                  I'm inclined to leave this as it is - any other opinions?
                  Change the pseudo inscription on items that need to be worn to charge.
                  Wearing - {charging}
                  In inventory or on ground: {uncharged}

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                  • geoff_tewierik
                    Adept
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 139

                    Few little quirks.

                    Afraid to hit, but no Afraid message down the bottom of the screen. I am wearing the ring of escaping, so is that a bug or a feature?

                    Have had a soldier walk through a closed door to attack me.
                    Attached Files

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                    • Derakon
                      Prophet
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 8820

                      The screenshot's unfortunately too small to make anything out. But yes, if you're wearing a Ring of Escaping, you can't attack things in melee, and you take a penalty to spell failure rates and missile skill.

                      I don't know if the lack of "Afraid" at the bottom of the screen is a bug or not.

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                      • geoff_tewierik
                        Adept
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 139

                        Originally posted by Derakon
                        The screenshot's unfortunately too small to make anything out. But yes, if you're wearing a Ring of Escaping, you can't attack things in melee, and you take a penalty to spell failure rates and missile skill.

                        I don't know if the lack of "Afraid" at the bottom of the screen is a bug or not.
                        Sorry, dunno what went wrong with the screen shot, looks fine on my laptop. But it appears to only be a 450 x 240 pixel shot, which is weird.

                        And yep, I know the sucky bits about RoE, was more interested in the lack of Afraid at the bottom.

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                        • Nick
                          Vanilla maintainer
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9338

                          Originally posted by geoff_tewierik
                          Afraid to hit, but no Afraid message down the bottom of the screen. I am wearing the ring of escaping, so is that a bug or a feature?
                          Not a bug - there's a permanent afraid property which Rings of Escaping has, and then there's the timed fear effect, which prints the "afraid" message at the bottom. Those status messages at the bottom are pretty much only for timed effects.

                          Originally posted by geoff_tewierik
                          Have had a soldier walk through a closed door to attack me.
                          Can you explain this a bit more?
                          One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                          In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                          • geoff_tewierik
                            Adept
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 139

                            Originally posted by Nick
                            Can you explain this a bit more?
                            Had a door, opened, walked through, saw a soldier, had stuff all HP, walked backwards closed door, went around corner soldier appeared, but door wasn't opened. Died.

                            Last night I had a Master Yeek in a similar circumstance, walked past a T intersection with a closed door, a Master Yeek appeared behind me, I smacked it to bits and walked back up to the door but as soon as it was in line of sight the screen changed the view from a closed door to open without me doing anything. So I'm thinking its a screen refresh thing.

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                            • geoff_tewierik
                              Adept
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 139

                              Originally posted by geoff_tewierik
                              Had a door, opened, walked through, saw a soldier, had stuff all HP, walked backwards closed door, went around corner soldier appeared, but door wasn't opened. Died.

                              Last night I had a Master Yeek in a similar circumstance, walked past a T intersection with a closed door, a Master Yeek appeared behind me, I smacked it to bits and walked back up to the door but as soon as it was in line of sight the screen changed the view from a closed door to open without me doing anything. So I'm thinking its a screen refresh thing.
                              Just had it happen again.

                              Pic attached, hope its big enough.

                              Door above is closed, yet the gnome mage in base to base with me just walked through it.
                              Attached Files
                              Last edited by geoff_tewierik; March 25, 2018, 11:15.

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                              • Nick
                                Vanilla maintainer
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9338

                                Originally posted by geoff_tewierik
                                Had a door, opened, walked through, saw a soldier, had stuff all HP, walked backwards closed door, went around corner soldier appeared, but door wasn't opened. Died.

                                Last night I had a Master Yeek in a similar circumstance, walked past a T intersection with a closed door, a Master Yeek appeared behind me, I smacked it to bits and walked back up to the door but as soon as it was in line of sight the screen changed the view from a closed door to open without me doing anything. So I'm thinking its a screen refresh thing.
                                Aha, no, this is actually a new thing in 4.1 - doors opening and closing (and other terrain changes) don't get updated on the map until the character sees them. So because you had gone around the corner before the soldier caught you, you wouldn't have seen the door open.

                                EDIT: And yes, that fits the gnome mage situation, because the rubble is blocking line of sight.
                                Last edited by Nick; March 25, 2018, 11:16. Reason: Ninja
                                One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                                In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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