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  • calvinasleep
    Rookie
    • Nov 2017
    • 23

    a Band of & Band~

    Just saw this show up when i quaffed a potion of enlightenment. I vaguely remember seeing a thread about this but couldn't find it. Not sure if it is a bug?

    edit: randarts game. Was "the Band of Celin"
  • kandrc
    Swordsman
    • Dec 2007
    • 299

    #2
    Originally posted by calvinasleep
    Just saw this show up when i quaffed a potion of enlightenment. I vaguely remember seeing a thread about this but couldn't find it. Not sure if it is a bug?

    edit: randarts game. Was "the Band of Celin"
    Definitely a bug, and I'm sure we've all seen it, but I can't recall having seen anybody report it (probably because it doesn't cause a crash and we all play on and forget about it until the next time). It's exposing information (that this is an artifact ring) that @ shouldn't be able to know.

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    • PowerWyrm
      Prophet
      • Apr 2008
      • 2986

      #3
      You just found a variant
      PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

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      • calvinasleep
        Rookie
        • Nov 2017
        • 23

        #4
        Originally posted by kandrc
        Definitely a bug, and I'm sure we've all seen it, but I can't recall having seen anybody report it (probably because it doesn't cause a crash and we all play on and forget about it until the next time). It's exposing information (that this is an artifact ring) that @ shouldn't be able to know.
        Makes sense. I've been playing with birth options to know all variants and runes cause I hated the ID game so I wasn't sure if it was because of that.

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        • Ingwe Ingweron
          Veteran
          • Jan 2009
          • 2129

          #5
          I've always considered it a bug. Tulkas, Barahir rings (maybe the Elven rings too, if I remember correctly), and the amulets Carlamas and the Necklace of the Dwarves, have this problem.
          “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
          ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9637

            #6
            I would really like a savefile demonstrating this problem.
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • Pete Mack
              Prophet
              • Apr 2007
              • 6883

              #7
              Nick-
              You can almost certainly repro it by creating the object in wizard mode while blind.
              Then step out of LOS and examine it from a distance.

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              • Nick
                Vanilla maintainer
                • Apr 2007
                • 9637

                #8
                Originally posted by Pete Mack
                Nick-
                You can almost certainly repro it by creating the object in wizard mode while blind.
                Then step out of LOS and examine it from a distance.
                That doesn't work for me. Examining from a distance before it's known it's still a "Diamond Ring" (or whatever), and then as soon as I step on it, it gets its full name. This is regardless of how it's detected (Object Detection, seeing, !Enlightenment, etc).
                One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                • Ingwe Ingweron
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 2129

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nick
                  That doesn't work for me. Examining from a distance before it's known it's still a "Diamond Ring" (or whatever), and then as soon as I step on it, it gets its full name. This is regardless of how it's detected (Object Detection, seeing, !Enlightenment, etc).
                  Hmmm. !Enlightenment and then looking in the object list always gets me the "a Band of & Band" problem when one of those items is around. I will try and get a save file for you.
                  “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                  ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                  • Nick
                    Vanilla maintainer
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9637

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                    Hmmm. !Enlightenment and then looking in the object list always gets me the "a Band of & Band" problem when one of those items is around. I will try and get a save file for you.
                    Thanks, I have one now.
                    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                    • Nick
                      Vanilla maintainer
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9637

                      #11
                      OK, fixed in development
                      One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                      In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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