Mim, Betrayer of Turin

**Gwarl** · August 7, 2017, 21:57

Phase door/arrows yeah. You just need a lot of scrolls and a lot of arrows, but you can definitely outpace his healing.

**Derakon** · August 7, 2017, 23:01

With good damage output and speed, you can melee him. You'll probably lose a few pluses, but nothing crippling. Otherwise, phase door and launchers are the way to go. Either that or hope to find a wand of Drain Life, which does nonelemental damage, and a lot of it.

**Philip** · August 7, 2017, 23:11

Traditional solution is not to kill Mim until you can do so without any problems. I don't think he starts awake, though a Warrior probably doesn't have stellar detection. Phase door and arrows will kill him eventually, I guess, but I feel like it's better to view him as an object lesson of what you want to do later with stuff like Nightwalkers and Black Reavers and Balrogs.

**Pete Mack** · August 8, 2017, 02:35

If you've got a good bow, take him out. He has an "excellent" drop, which is significantly better than most uniques.

**Fizanko** · August 8, 2017, 10:47

Thanks for the suggestions.
So i'll have to hunt for better bow/crossbow and better arrows/bolts and stockpile more on the phase doors.

Hopefully i'll get some good ones to deal with this unique.

**Sky** · August 8, 2017, 12:10

Unless you are wearing endgame gear (in which case you can 1-shot him) then just shoot him and then melee him. He will be dead before you lose more than a couple of points.
Potions of Speed really help here.

**luneya** · August 8, 2017, 23:57

As a warrior? Just melee him. Anything that isn't an artifact will be severely disenchanted, but it can be easily replaced or repaired with enchant scrolls. AC loss isn't a big deal anyway, and you have an artifact weapon. (If you had an ego weapon instead, I'd recommend avoiding the fight.)

Artifacts resist (but aren't immune to) disenchantment. You won't lose more than a few points from any of them. Also, Mim is generally encountered and killed in the midgame, so anything you're wearing then will probably be replaced before you go up against any of the really big bosses. All things considered, it's not worth worrying about the disenchantment. If you happen to have an item that grants disenchant resist around, it's worth swapping to it; otherwise, treat Mim like any other midgame unique.

**Fizanko** · August 9, 2017, 17:31

I've been making a bunch of expeditions at around the depth 40 and fetched quite a lots of stats potions and interesting new items (the helm of Dor-Lomin with built-in ESP is simply awesome).

While moving up to see if i could encounter Mim again, i finally found him again at the depth 38
He was asleep and unfortunately in one of those checkered dungeon location, meaning i wasn't going to be able to use my ranged attack without problems, fortunately the very good steel +9 boots of speed ! i fetched would probably guarantee me to keep out of melee and rain more bolts on him.

Now i had a *destruction* scroll from some time ago, and wondered if in this new version (though even in old ones i never thought about using such rare scroll like that) it could actually deal some damage to a monster while destroying a large section of the dungeon.

At first i thought it could be a waste considering how rare those scrolls are, but thinking about it more that would be a really fun way to waste it and Mim really deserved a big boot to the face

And the scroll did the usual large explosion with as a consequence that there's no more Mim.

I didn't thought it would actually destroy him only damage him but it seemed so as he was nowhere to be found and my ESP found no trace of the bugger.

I checked in the Knowledge of my character and Mim is listed as still being alive.
Hmm ? is that a bug and the game hasn't acknowledged the utter destruction of that annoying unique or is *destruction* not actually being a threat to an unique and only teleporting him out for some reason ?

**Fizanko** · August 9, 2017, 17:50

Oh it looks like i answered my own question , climbing and back, here is he again

(edit : put the screenshots in the spoilers to avoid too big of a post)

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let's bolt + phase door him now

Looks like it's working, though he healed himself once already or he should be dead by now

Nearly there, time for Mim to taste this awesomely mighty Aiglos spear (with all the strength and dexterity bottles i got from my multiple depth 40 expeditions, the damage by round is rather impressive)

And ...

...
Victory !
one hit kill there, Mim didn't even had the opportunity to even try his disenchant strike !

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Mim paid for all those disenchant he did on my past characters

My character dump at that point :

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Code:

  [Angband 4.1.0 Character Dump]

 Name   Morim        Age             38          Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Race   Dwarf        Height       3'11"   STR! 18/100  +2  +3  +6 18/210
 Class  Warrior      Weight    12st 2lb   INT:  18/28  -3  -2  +1     17
 Title  Champion     Turns used:          WIS:     12  +2  -2  +6     18
 HP     743/743      Game       1127632   DEX:  18/91  -2  +2 +10 18/191
 SP     0/0          Standard    126337   CON:  18/82  +2  +2  +4 18/162
                     Resting      14019

 Level                 38    Armor     [62,+100]    Saving Throw     68%
 Cur Exp           876913                           Stealth         Poor
 Max Exp           876913    Melee       3d6,+56    Disarm - phys.   95%
 Adv Exp          1020000    To-hit       85,+42    Disarm - magic   55%
                             Blows      6.0/turn    Magic Devices     55
 Gold              218199                           Searching        57%
 Burden          182.0 lb    Shoot to-dam    +15    Infravision    50 ft
 Overweight        2.1 lb    To-hit       75,+39    Speed              8
 Max Depth    2050' (L41)    Shots        1/turn

 You are the only child of a Dwarven Miner.  You are a credit to the
 family.  You have dark brown eyes, straight black hair, a two foot
 beard, and a dark complexion.


rAcid:......+.++... Nexus:......+......
rElec:......+.+++.. Nethr:.............
rFire:......+.++... Chaos:.............
rCold:+.....+.++... Disen:.............
rPois:............. pFear:+........+..+
rLite:..........+.. pBlnd:............+
rDark:............. pConf:.............
Sound:........+.... pStun:.............
Shard:......+...... HLife:.......+.....

Regen:............. Stea.:.......+++...
  ESP:.........+... Sear.:.............
Invis:.........+... Infra:............+
FrAct:+............ Tunn.:............+
Feath:............. Speed:...........+.
S.Dig:+............ Blows:.............
ImpHP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.............
Aggrv:............. Light:.....+....+..


  [Character Equipment]

a) the Spear 'Aiglos' (3d6) (+15,+25) [+5] <+2, +4>
     Dropped by a guardian naga at 1150 feet (level 23)
     
     +2 wisdom.
     +4 dexterity.
     Slays undead (powerfully), trolls, orcs, evil creatures.
     Branded with cold.
     Provides resistance to cold.
     Provides protection from fear.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Slows your metabolism.  Prevents paralysis.  Blessed by the gods. 
     
     
     When activated, it creates a frost ball with damage 100.
     Takes 63 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 92.4%
     
     Combat info:
     6.0 blows/round.
     Average damage/round: 549 vs. creatures not resistant to cold, 684
     vs. undead, 549 vs. trolls, 549 vs. orcs, 481.8 vs. evil
     creatures, and 414.6 vs. others.
     
b) a Light Crossbow of Power (x3) (+12,+15)
     Dropped by a young blue dragon at 2050 feet (level 41)
     
c) a Ring of Damage (+0,+13)
     Dropped by a mature multi-hued dragon at 1900 feet (level 38)
     
d) a Ring of Dexterity <+4>
     Dropped by an ogre shaman at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +4 dexterity.
     Sustains dexterity.
     
e) an Amulet of Wisdom <+4>
     Dropped by a cave ogre at 1700 feet (level 34)
     
     +4 wisdom.
     Sustains wisdom.
     
f) the Phial of Galadriel <+3>
     Found lying on the floor in a vault at 1000 feet (level 20)
     
     +3 light.
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     Radius 3 light.
     
     When activated, it lights up the surrounding area, hurting
     light-sensitive creatures.
     Takes 19 to 36 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 93.6%
     
g) the Chain Mail of Arvedui (-2) [40,+15] <+2>
     Dropped by a master vampire at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +2 strength.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, shards, nexus.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
h) a Fur Cloak of the Magi [3,+11] <+1, +2>
     Found lying on the floor in a vault at 1550 feet (level 31)
     
     +1 intelligence.
     +2 stealth.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     Sustains intelligence.
     Sustains your life force.  
     
i) a Wicker Shield of Elvenkind [2,+15] <+2>
     Dropped by Kavlax the Many-Headed at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +2 stealth.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, sound.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
j) the Iron Helm of Dor-LĂ?Âłmin [7,+20] <+4, +2, -1>
     Dropped by an ogre at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +4 strength.
     +2 dexterity.
     +4 constitution.
     -1 stealth.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
     Provides protection from fear.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
k) the Set of Gauntlets 'Pauraegen' [3,+13] <+1>
     Found lying on the floor at 900 feet (level 18)
     
     +1 light.
     Provides resistance to lightning, light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Radius 1 light.
     
     When activated, it creates a lightning bolt (that always beams)
     with damage 6d6.
     Takes 12 to 21 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 94.1%
     
l) a Pair of Steel Shod Boots of Speed [7,+7] <+9>
     Dropped by a knight Templar at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +9 speed.
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     




  [Character Inventory]

a) 9 Rations of Food
b) a Potion of Dexterity
c) 16 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
d) 2 Potions of Enlightenment
e) 12 Potions of Speed
f) 20 Potions of Berserk Strength
g) 27 Scrolls of Phase Door
h) 10 Scrolls of Teleportation
i) 4 Scrolls of Identify
j) a Scroll of Banishment
k) 13 Scrolls of Word of Recall
l) a Rod of Treasure Location
m) 4 Rods of Fire Bolts
n) 7 Rods of Frost Bolts
o) 6 Wands of Lightning Bolts (60 charges)
p) 5 Wands of Lightning Balls (37 charges)
     Cannot be harmed by lightning.
     
q) 7 Wands of Confuse Monster (40 charges)
r) the Metal Cap of Thengel [3,+12] <+3>
     Found lying on the floor in a vault at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +3 wisdom.
     Provides protection from confusion.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
s) the Short Sword 'Sting' (1d7) (+7,+8) <+1, +3, +2>
     Dropped by Uglúk, the Uruk at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +1 strength.
     +1 dexterity.
     +1 constitution.
     +3 speed.
     +2 attack speed.
     +1 light.
     Slays undead, orcs, animals, evil creatures.
     Provides resistance to light.
     Provides protection from fear.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  Prevents paralysis.  
     Radius 1 light.
     
     Combat info:
     7.8 blows/round.
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 8.0 blows
     Average damage/round: 429.4 vs. undead, 429.4 vs. orcs, 395.5 vs.
     animals, 395.5 vs. evil creatures, and 361.6 vs. others.
     




  [Character Quiver]

0) 17 Bolts (1d5) (+6,+3)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 65.5.
     25% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
1) 17 Bolts (1d5) (+5,+6)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 74.9.
     25% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
2) 19 Bolts of Slay Animal (1d5) (+6,+8)
     Slays animals.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 135.2 vs. animals, and 81.1 vs. others.
     25% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
3) 14 Bolts of Acid (1d5) (+6,+7)
     Branded with acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 156 vs. creatures not resistant to acid, and
     78 vs. others.
     25% chance of breaking upon contact.

[Player history]
      Turn   Depth  Note
         0      0'  Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
       275     50'  Reached level 2
       622    100'  Reached level 3
       965    150'  Reached level 4
      1362    200'  Reached level 5
      1460    200'  Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's Dog
      1551    200'  Reached level 6
      2135    200'  Reached level 7
      2708    250'  Reached level 8
      4759    100'  Reached level 9
      5587      0'  Killed Farmer Maggot
      5857    500'  Reached level 10
      5999    500'  Reached level 11
      6223    500'  Reached level 12
      7211    500'  Killed SmĂ?Â©agol
      8257    450'  Reached level 13
      9337    450'  Killed Brodda, the Easterling
      9566    400'  Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
      9566    400'  Reached level 14
     11725    350'  Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord
     11781    350'  Reached level 15
     16687    150'  Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's Dog
     18250    750'  Reached level 16
     18653   1000'  Reached level 17
     22394    400'  Reached level 18
     23573    500'  Reached level 19
     25267    550'  Reached level 20
     25961    600'  Killed Orfax, Son of Boldor
     30420    700'  Reached level 21
     32288    800'  Killed GrishnĂ?Âˇkh, the Hill Orc
     32526    800'  Reached level 22
     33628    900'  Found the Set of Gauntlets 'Pauraegen'
     34336    950'  Killed NĂ?Âˇr, the Dwarf
     34897    950'  Killed Shagrat, the Orc Captain
     34910    950'  Reached level 23
     35649   1000'  Found the Quarterstaff 'Eriril'
     35759   1000'  Found the Phial of Galadriel
     36043   1000'  Reached level 24
     36141   1000'  Killed Ulfast, Son of Ulfang
     37264   1050'  Found the Lucerne Hammer 'Turmil'
     39900   1100'  Reached level 25
     40848   1200'  Killed Lagduf, the Snaga
     41968   1200'  Killed AngamaitĂ?Â« of Umbar
     41972   1200'  Found the Cloak 'Colannon'
     42406   1200'  Killed Sangahyando of Umbar
     44320   1250'  Reached level 26
     49301   1400'  Reached level 27
     64501   1500'  Killed Ufthak of Cirith Ungol
     65695   1550'  Reached level 28
     67363   1600'  Killed Lugdush, the Uruk
     67748   1650'  Killed KhĂ?Â®m, Son of MĂ?Â®m
     67748   1650'  Reached level 28
     73865    700'  Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit
     73870    700'  Killed Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief
     76270   1150'  Found the Spear 'Aiglos'
     78363   1300'  Found the Iron Helm 'Holhenneth'
     78528   1250'  Killed Azog, King of the Uruk-Hai
     78535   1250'  Killed Bolg, Son of Azog
     78776   1250'  Found the Mace 'Taratol'
     79644   1300'  Reached level 29
     81369   1300'  Killed Gorbag, the Orc Captain
     82654   1400'  Killed Uldor the Accursed
     85787   1550'  Found the Star of Elendil
     85830   1550'  Found the Dagger 'Narthanc'
     86224   1550'  Killed Beorn, the Shape-Changer
     86932   1550'  Killed Boldor, King of the Yeeks
     88027   1600'  Reached level 30
     89262   1650'  Found the Long Sword 'Elvagil'
     93791   1850'  Reached level 31
     95392   2000'  Found the Chain Mail of Arvedui
     95939   2000'  Killed Ibun, Son of MĂ?Â®m
     98414   2100'  Reached level 32
    100422   1950'  Killed Tom the Stone Troll
    100437   1950'  Killed Bill the Stone Troll
    100491   1950'  Killed Bert the Stone Troll
    101017   1950'  Reached level 33
    102735   1900'  Killed Draebor, the Imp
    103030   1900'  Killed Lorgan, Chief of the Easterlings
    103802   1950'  Killed Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain
    104153   2000'  Reached level 34
    104340   2000'  Reached level 35
    104364   2000'  Killed The Queen Ant
    107239   2000'  Killed Ulfang the Black
    107256   2000'  Killed Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang
    109832   2000'  Found the Dagger 'Nimthanc' (LOST)
    110077   1950'  Reached level 36
    112284   2000'  Killed Kavlax the Many-Headed
    114258   2000'  Found the Iron Helm of Dor-LĂ?Âłmin
    114807   2000'  Killed EĂ?Â¶l, the Dark Elf
    114823   2000'  Found the Hard Leather Armour of Himring
    115667   2000'  Reached level 37
    119270   2000'  Killed Medusa, the Gorgon
    119939   2000'  Found the Set of Leather Gloves 'Cammithrim'
    120279   2000'  Killed UglĂ?Âşk, the Uruk
    120316   2000'  Found the Short Sword 'Sting'
    122645   2000'  Found the Metal Cap of Thengel
    122730   2000'  Reached level 38
    126337   1900'  Killed MĂ?Â®m, Betrayer of Turin

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**Egavactip** · August 9, 2017, 20:25

Originally posted by luneya

As a warrior? Just melee him. Anything that isn't an artifact will be severely disenchanted, but it can be easily replaced or repaired with enchant scrolls. AC loss isn't a big deal anyway, and you have an artifact weapon. (If you had an ego weapon instead, I'd recommend avoiding the fight.)

Artifacts resist (but aren't immune to) disenchantment. You won't lose more than a few points from any of them. Also, Mim is generally encountered and killed in the midgame, so anything you're wearing then will probably be replaced before you go up against any of the really big bosses. All things considered, it's not worth worrying about the disenchantment. If you happen to have an item that grants disenchant resist around, it's worth swapping to it; otherwise, treat Mim like any other midgame unique.

It is not worth losing *any* points on a weapon to take Mim. Take him at a distance or take him with rDis or leave him alone. You'll get him later.

**Derakon** · August 9, 2017, 21:11

Originally posted by Egavactip

It is not worth losing *any* points on a weapon to take Mim. Take him at a distance or take him with rDis or leave him alone. You'll get him later.

Ehh, if I have a good opportunity to fight him -- clear terrain, no other monsters nearby -- then it can be worth maybe losing 5% of my damage output if it means that he won't get generated again somewhere more inconvenient.

**Sky** · August 10, 2017, 09:53

And dont forget his drop.

**wobbly** · August 10, 2017, 11:39

Originally posted by luneya

As a warrior? Just melee him. Anything that isn't an artifact will be severely disenchanted, but it can be easily replaced or repaired with enchant scrolls. AC loss isn't a big deal anyway, and you have an artifact weapon. (If you had an ego weapon instead, I'd recommend avoiding the fight.)

Artifacts resist (but aren't immune to) disenchantment. You won't lose more than a few points from any of them. Also, Mim is generally encountered and killed in the midgame, so anything you're wearing then will probably be replaced before you go up against any of the really big bosses. All things considered, it's not worth worrying about the disenchantment. If you happen to have an item that grants disenchant resist around, it's worth swapping to it; otherwise, treat Mim like any other midgame unique.

The trouble is when he chips enough of that weapon to reduce the damage giving him more time to chip. Last time I melee-d him he conveniently spawned next to a weapon with reasonable damage that I didn't want, then dropped a better weapon on death. Otherwise I wouldn't bother, he has to drop something better than your current weapon for him to be worth it.

**wobbly** · August 10, 2017, 11:40

Whoops. Phone double posted somehow.

Mim, Betrayer of Turin

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