Preparation for 4.1 release

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  • Sky
    Veteran
    • Oct 2016
    • 2321

    Honestly, i do like the new rune system, but ...

    Not having scrolls of identify is painful. And hacing staves, wands and potions still unidentified at CL50, DL80 is really irritating.

    Maybe we can have $identify work on one rune OR item? For non-rune gear? Im tired of having to quaff !contemplation.
    "i can take this dracolich"

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    • Gwarl
      Administrator
      • Jan 2017
      • 1025

      I've made my thoughts known with regard to status effects, but one thing which particularly bugs me is staves of slow/confuse having 4-5 charges and wands of the same having 2-4.

      I'd also like to request that DSM gets a 45 degree arc - currently in most circumstances you just get a beam and it's pretty underwhelming, making early DSMs less attractive.

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      • Ingwe Ingweron
        Veteran
        • Jan 2009
        • 2129

        Originally posted by Nick
        This sounds odd. Did it turn out to be cursed?
        Negative. Just a regular old Amulet of Resist Acid.
        “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
        ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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        • Derakon
          Prophet
          • Dec 2009
          • 9022

          Originally posted by Sky
          Im tired of having to quaff !contemplation.
          Maybe you should play more holy casters.

          Or be a warrior and be sick of both contemplation and intellect!

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          • Ingwe Ingweron
            Veteran
            • Jan 2009
            • 2129

            Originally posted by Nick
            Let me know if I've missed anything.
            What about notification of taking damage from newly created lava underfoot? Currently, when, for example, a Greater Balrog breathes fire and creates lava under @'s feet, there is no notice that the lava is even there unless @ steps off the spot or "looks" at the spot, other than taking damage which player might assume was coming from blows rather than from something underfoot. Maybe a message about damage from burning lava is appropriate if @ is not immune?

            While thinking about lava, I notice monsters can breathe or cast frost and turn lava into rubble, but @ frost balls, bolts, or breaths do not do the same. Is that an intentional disparity?
            “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
            ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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            • Nick
              Vanilla maintainer
              • Apr 2007
              • 9634

              Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
              What about notification of taking damage from newly created lava underfoot? Currently, when, for example, a Greater Balrog breathes fire and creates lava under @'s feet, there is no notice that the lava is even there unless @ steps off the spot or "looks" at the spot, other than taking damage which player might assume was coming from blows rather than from something underfoot. Maybe a message about damage from burning lava is appropriate if @ is not immune?
              Yeah, thanks - I also need to check the player actually continues to take damage.

              Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
              While thinking about lava, I notice monsters can breathe or cast frost and turn lava into rubble, but @ frost balls, bolts, or breaths do not do the same. Is that an intentional disparity?
              It's just based on power of breath, with some randomness.
              One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
              In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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              • Pete Mack
                Prophet
                • Apr 2007
                • 6883

                Also, bolts never affect the floor, only balls and breaths.

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                • Ingwe Ingweron
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 2129

                  Still some basic pathing issues. See the following. @ was on a RoP in a small anti-summoning closet fighting Gothmog. The balrog broke the RoP and created lava. @ phase doored out. Gothmog pursued into the vacated square, but is now "trapped" behind his own lava. @ is just outside in the corridor, but Gothie won't come out to find @ unless @ moves up into line of sight.
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                  “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                  ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                  • Ingwe Ingweron
                    Veteran
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 2129

                    Why are mithril shod boots heavier than iron shod boots? Doesn't make any sense to me.

                    "Mithril! All folk desired it. It could be beaten like copper, and polished like glass; and the Dwarves could make of it a metal, light and yet harder than tempered steel. Its beauty was like to that of common silver, but the beauty of mithril did not tarnish or grow dim." - Gandalf the Grey explaining mithril to the Company while passing through Khazad-dûm.
                    “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                    ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                    • kandrc
                      Swordsman
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 299

                      Slowness curse fails to ID by use.

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                      • Nick
                        Vanilla maintainer
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9634

                        Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                        Still some basic pathing issues. See the following. @ was on a RoP in a small anti-summoning closet fighting Gothmog. The balrog broke the RoP and created lava. @ phase doored out. Gothmog pursued into the vacated square, but is now "trapped" behind his own lava. @ is just outside in the corridor, but Gothie won't come out to find @ unless @ moves up into line of sight.
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                        Thanks, fixed in development now; also message on taking lava damage (and player does in fact take lava damage if they keep standing on it - I notice no-one reported that one).
                        One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                        In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                        • Ingwe Ingweron
                          Veteran
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 2129

                          Originally posted by Nick
                          Thanks, fixed in development now; also message on taking lava damage (and player does in fact take lava damage if they keep standing on it - I notice no-one reported that one).
                          Thanks, Nick. I was never sure if @ was taking lava damage or blow damage and tried not to stand around on it to find out.
                          “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                          ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                          • Nick
                            Vanilla maintainer
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9634

                            Originally posted by Nomad
                            Some related oddities - you no longer seem to get the warning messages to tell you when the light level is running low, and instead of the "your light has gone out" message when it completely runs out, you get "Your Wooden Torch has recharged."
                            Was it, or had it ever been, cursed?
                            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                            • Nick
                              Vanilla maintainer
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9634

                              New builds up on the nightlies page, with the following changes:
                              • Healers now excluded from warrior pits
                              • Devices no longer get the {tried} label from a failed use
                              • Monsters with fire immunity can walk, and pathfind, through lava
                              • Lava gives the player a message when it is damaging them
                              • Lava actually damages the player every turn they're standing in it
                              • The show_damage option shows damage for throwing
                              • Artifact lanterns no longer claim to refill other lanterns
                              • Saving and reloading no longer shows extra info about distant items
                              • Inspecting un-wielded items no longer leaks info about unknown runes (like extra blows)


                              I've also attempted a fix for the bogus "roll beneath your feet" message, but I'm not sure if it will be successful as that is hard to reproduce.
                              One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                              In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                              • Nomad
                                Knight
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 958

                                Originally posted by Nick
                                Was it, or had it ever been, cursed?
                                No. Ordinary bog standard Wooden Torches. Happens pretty frequently. Although, weirdly, sometimes it doesn't, and I still can't figure out what's different about those particular torches. It might be that it's only dungeon-found ones rather than inherited/town-bought? (Though I'd swear I have had it happen with the torch I start the game with sometimes.)

                                I can't seem to reproduce it by just taking a town-bought torch into the dungeon and resting for 5000 turns, unfortunately.
                                Last edited by Nomad; June 10, 2017, 10:53.

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