Nightly 2/12/2017 crashes on loading

**Pete Mack** · February 13, 2017, 13:10

Delete the lore file and retry.

**Nick** · February 13, 2017, 13:53

Yep, if there was a break to lore file compatibility a few months ago. If you really like that lore file, attach it to the thread and I can fix it - or you can fix it yourself by removing all the numbers from the name lines, so they're just

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name:scrawny cat

**Grotug** · February 14, 2017, 11:11

Ty, works now. I learned the rune of resist cold and resist fire early on by quaffing corresponding potions, but the game thinks I can only learn these runes through IDing equipment that have these runes? I ID'd what I assume is a ring of resist cold and fire with an ID scroll which ID'd rFire on the ring and so now the robe (??) I was holding is also ID'd as resist fire. I guess what I'm saying is, I'd expect that once I've learned the rune of rFire and rCold through quaffing corresponding potions that I'd then know these runes and thus know a ring of rCold/rFire and a robe of rFire without having to ID these pieces of equipment separately.

I am enjoying the changes so far. It's nice to have a fresh experience. And definitely seems to be alleviating some of the tedium or frustration that was present before.

**Nick** · February 14, 2017, 12:10

Originally posted by Grotug

I learned the rune of resist cold and resist fire early on by quaffing corresponding potions, but the game thinks I can only learn these runes through IDing equipment that have these runes? I ID'd what I assume is a ring of resist cold and fire with an ID scroll which ID'd rFire on the ring and so now the robe (??) I was holding is also ID'd as resist fire. I guess what I'm saying is, I'd expect that once I've learned the rune of rFire and rCold through quaffing corresponding potions that I'd then know these runes and thus know a ring of rCold/rFire and a robe of rFire without having to ID these pieces of equipment separately.

Runes only apply to wearable equipment, consumables are identified separately (and pretty much as before).

**Grotug** · February 14, 2017, 13:21

I understand the logic there, but it isn't intuitive and makes sense only in a strange bubble of internal Angband logic for the purpose of gameplay balance (which may be good enough I suppose). But it just seems intuitive that if I learn something then I've learned it. It doesn't matter *how* I've learned it, whether I read it in a book, watched a movie about it, or someone told me about it, once I've learned something I've learned it. If I stub my toe, I've learned the rune of pain. If I drink from a pitcher of milk that's been in the fridge too long and wind up with an intense pain in my stomach, I've learned the rune of pain. What difference does it make if I learned it from wearing open toed sandals while running down a rocky trail or drinking sour milk?

Also, it's kind of nifty that I can quaff a potion of slowness while wearing a ring of FrAct and the potion has no effect on me. Also nifty when someone casts a spell of slowness on me and it has no effect, yet a trap of slowness and impact hounds can still make me slow even if I have FrAct? I suppose it's employing the same logic of time hounds knocking down all my stats while I'm wearing a shield of Preservation, but having contradictory logic mechanisms in the game kinda leaves the player feeling like they don't really understand *anything* about Angband's world logic.

Thirdly, just saw an amulet of regeneration in the black market for a paltry 150gp. Is this item really on par with an amulet of slow digestion? This should be at least 1500gp in the black market.

I'm really liking the new ID system in place now. ID scrolls feel much more meaningful now and I like that staves of ID have been removed. Being forced to quaff potions to learn them seems a bit forced, though, but I'm not really opposed to it as I understand the reasoning behind doing it this way (for the gameplay/discovery aspect, I think it's good) and of course you can always be patient, hold onto potions you suspect may be a stat swapper, and buy them in the black market to avoid learning !Intellect as a Warrior by quaffing it. But I think learning runes should be pan-method, especially since you can't ID potions or mushrooms with ID scrolls. Though if they were, I'd probably be complaining that runes are too easy to learn.... (For example, I'd know the rune of rPoison before I even find a ring or armor of said rune).

I was thinking since traps are discovered when walking next to them now that it might be fun to have more monster summoning rune types, instead of just summon foe, so that you could have: summon dragons (or ancient dragons or dragons based on the dungeon level you are on) or undead, or arachnids. And maybe for 1 in a million laughs, a rune of summon townspeople (but it'd only show up after DL60, and then still only have a one in a million chance of generating whenever a summoning rune is generated).

**Derakon** · February 14, 2017, 16:56

How are you going to learn a rune by drinking a potion? Potions are liquids; you can't write runes on them. And there's no FDA to enforce nutrition tags and ingredient lists either.

Potions are really just matching appearance/flavor with effect, and I don't see a clear path towards having that associate somehow with knowledge of your equipment.

It's a bit more excusable with scrolls, wands, staves, etc. where I could imagine someone inscribing runes on the item that correspond somehow with runes on your equipment, but even then that's not necessarily how those magic items work. Maybe enchanting a wand to shoot fireballs is a purely "internal" process with no inscribing necessary; you just need a stick made of the right material.

If we were trying to move towards a more rigorously rule-based magic system though, these things would definitely be worth thinking about.

Hang on -- does the game actually say "you learned the rune for Resist Fire" when you drink a Resist Fire potion? Because that would be a bug. All you've learned is that gloopy green potions are Resist Fire.

Nightly 2/12/2017 crashes on loading

Nightly 2/12/2017 crashes on loading

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