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  • Sky
    Veteran
    • Oct 2016
    • 2321

    petition #1

    petition to switch names between Eog and Bronze golems.

    Eog is a mythical material from Tolkien's Silmarillion, that only a few smiths of the caliber of Eöl could work with; on the other hand, Bronze is a relatively soft metal.

    following the tradition of D&D and some basic material science, i would re-grade the golems thus:
    clay
    flesh
    bone
    stone
    bronze
    iron
    mithril
    eog

    i'll leave to you the choice of where the drolem goes, but i would place it between iron and mithril.
    "i can take this dracolich"
  • Nick
    Vanilla maintainer
    • Apr 2007
    • 9647

    #2
    Originally posted by Sky
    Eog is a mythical material from Tolkien's Silmarillion, that only a few smiths of the caliber of Eöl could work with
    I think you're thinking of galvorn. As far as I know eog golems are a creation of Angband.
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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    • Sky
      Veteran
      • Oct 2016
      • 2321

      #3
      Eog was a dwarfish-elvish metal-alloy made of durang, mithril and other unknown materials said to have been invented originally by Eol the dark Elf.It was glaring, true white or red in color and one of the rarest and most prized materials, workable only by a handful of the most skilled craftsmen.

      looks like it came out of MERP, possibly out of some obscure publication like unfinished tales; the historical placement of eog is in the age of the silmarillion and of the great elvish smiths. if the name is synonimos with galvorn, so be it. it still needs to rank higher than a bronze golem.

      speaking of which, DAMN how strong those things are.
      "i can take this dracolich"

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      • Derakon
        Prophet
        • Dec 2009
        • 9022

        #4
        The thing that makes bronze golems dangerous isn't the material they're made out of, it's how that material is used. Most of the "<material> golems" are basically just ordinary statues of humanoids that have been granted the power to move. But the bronze golem is more like a demon coerced into inhabiting a statue -- or else, a statue enchanted with demonic powers.

        I'll grant that the name of the golem isn't a strong indicator of its power, but if you read the monster's description you should be rightfully worried. "A gigantic four-armed animated bronze statue of demonic shape, glowing with great heat." That does not sound similar to the other golems.

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        • Sky
          Veteran
          • Oct 2016
          • 2321

          #5
          shouldn't we then have a smaller bronze golem too ?
          "i can take this dracolich"

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9647

            #6
            Originally posted by Sky
            looks like it came out of MERP, possibly out of some obscure publication like unfinished tales; the historical placement of eog is in the age of the silmarillion and of the great elvish smiths. if the name is synonimos with galvorn, so be it.
            Tolkien's metal creations were mithril, galvorn and arguably adamant - eog and durang would appear to be creations of MERP (like Calris, most of the Angband ringwraith names, etc).
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • Derakon
              Prophet
              • Dec 2009
              • 9022

              #7
              Originally posted by Sky
              shouldn't we then have a smaller bronze golem too ?
              Only if we feel it necessary to have golems for every possibly-relevant metal, and I think we have plenty of monsters that just fight in melee, thanks.

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              • Pete Mack
                Prophet
                • Apr 2007
                • 6883

                #8
                Indeed. There are quite enough of these, and already complete set of higher ones-Dracolich, Bone, and Bronze. If there's any monster to add it's a renamed Azriel.

                Originally posted by Derakon
                Only if we feel it necessary to have golems for every possibly-relevant metal, and I think we have plenty of monsters that just fight in melee, thanks.

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