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[Werbaer]

I don't see why delaying the decisions should improve things. The contents of the shops and of the "8" home are accessible through the knowledge menu, so the player has the same information in the dungeon as in the town.

AFAIK you see the content of the shops the last time you visited them. There may be new interesting items now.

[Carnivean]

AFAIK you see the content of the shops the last time you visited them. There may be new interesting items now.

That's correct. On the other hand, the update period is pretty long, and there aren't that many things in shops that a mid- or end-game character would want.

[Timo Pietilä]

To me the advantage of no sell lies in the items you carry around with you. With selling, you will dedicate some inventory slots to items that are valuable to shop keepers but entirely useless for your character. This leads to difficult decisions whether to keep an item that is useful under some rare circumstances or rather ditch it and carry a for sale item. With no sale on you only carry items that may be useful to your character. Hence no sale characters have better survival chances.

Same here:

With no selling you find yourself using items that you would otherwise consider to be waste of inventory space, because who would carry wand of MM if you have expensive (but inferior to your current) Weapon of Westernesse to sale. With no selling wand gets a use, and westernesse gets ditched. Inventory management gets a lot easier.

[AnonymousHero]

To me the advantage of no sell lies in the items you carry around with you. With selling, you will dedicate some inventory slots to items that are valuable to shop keepers but entirely useless for your character. This leads to difficult decisions whether to keep an item that is useful under some rare circumstances or rather ditch it and carry a for sale item. With no sale on you only carry items that may be useful to your character. Hence no sale characters have better survival chances.

Exactamundo! Nailed it. This is why I'm a huge fan of no_selling. (I'm mildly OCD about these things, so I'd also even try to "optimize" which of the for-sale items to keep when I found another for-sale item at shallow levels when everything isn't worth 25/30k. Ridiculous, I know, but... ~OCD.)

[mushroom patch]

Things that are bad:

exploring levels
selling things
gnomes
doing the same level more than once when its depth is < 73
being slow due to encumbrance (smdh)

Things that are good:

detection rods
ignoring level feelings
using stairs to go up/down
green eggs and ham

[MattB]

Things that are bad:

exploring levels
selling things
gnomes
doing the same level more than once when its depth is < 73
being slow due to encumbrance (smdh)

I agree with three of these things.
(One of which is only because I'm not good enough to play gnomes.)
And why exactly dlvl73?

[mushroom patch]

It's a typo. It was supposed to say 76.

[MattB]

It's a typo. It was supposed to say 76.

Oh well, that makes perfect sense then.

[luneya]

The only one of that list of bad things I'd agree with is the selling point.

Exploring levels: well, it's a waste of time for boring levels, but you need to do some of it or you'll quickly find yourself facing deadly foes without decent equipment. The level feelings are a helpful guide to deciding when to explore, though they could stand to be improved. Anyway, you don't always have a choice; there have been plenty of times when I had to explore nearly all of a level before finding a down-stair.

Gnomes: Tolkien purists might dislike them (and the kobolds) for lacking authenticity, but gnomes are a perfectly playable race. The useless option is human.

Replaying levels: Unless you turn on force descent, you'll have to repeat every time you use WoR, half the time that you use teleport level as an escape, etc. Diving quickly through the repeated depth is an option, but it's not always wise. Perhaps the repeat visit to the depth contains an artifact, or even a vault. Make your dive/explore decision exactly as you would on your first visit to a level.

Encumbrance: Obviously it's a bad thing, but a point or two of speed loss won't cause too much harm, especially if you have speed-boosting gear to offset it. I wouldn't normally go burdened for extended periods, but if you need to hold onto a heavy piece of gear for a few turns while waiting for pseudo-id to kick in, go ahead and do that. And if the gear proves useful, you can take time to finish whatever else you need to do on that level before recalling to stash it.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

.... The useless option is human.

I actually like playing human @'s quite a lot. They level up so quickly.

[Timo Pietilä]

Gnomes: Tolkien purists might dislike them (and the kobolds) for lacking authenticity, but gnomes are a perfectly playable race. The useless option is human.

Elves and half-elves are way worse than humans. Only real weak point of humans is lack of infravision.