Discuss level feelings; accurate? inaccurate?

[Grotug]

At 200' I picked up a main gauche (+3, +5) and something else magical and the level was 2-1 feeling. Just now I picked up a lantern of brightness at 100' and the level feeling is 2-1. I would think the level feeling would be at least 2?

EDIT: Oops, error on my part. It was a torch of brightness. yeah, not too great.

EDIT: Just got a Sling of Power at 50' with 1-4 feeling.

[Nick]

So here's how the object rating works. For every object on the ground, you take the price (boosted by 20% per level OOD), divide by 100, and square it. Then add all those up, and measure that against a rating scale.

To simplify, suppose the feeling is basically generated by a single object - this won't always be true, but for levels without vaults it's quite likely, and it gives some intuition. Then the (boosted) price of that object needs to be roughly:

1. 0
2. 330
3. 660
4. 1320
5. 2650
6. 5000
7. 10000
8. 20000
9. 40000

EDIT: Thanks, btw - you have made me rediscover a 3.5.1 bug where the OOD boost was replacing the value instead of adding to it. This could well have been leading to misleadingly low feelings.

[MattB]

Out of interest, does cash come into the equation?
I've always wondered...

[PowerWyrm]

Out of interest, does cash come into the equation?
I've always wondered...

Don't think so. Cash placement is a separate routine (make_money vs place_object).

[MattB]

Ah, thanks.

FWIW, they seem to be less accurate lately (4.0.1/2) - although that might be my imagination.

[Grotug]

Well, I found 2 potions of DEX on DL23 and King of the Urak Hai dropped a (useless) Beaked Axe of Theoden. I feel sorry for Theoden, how did he kill anything with that *slow* weapon? That was a 3-5 level feeling. I like the telepathy of the Beaked axe but most of the time it's doing half the damage of my whip of flame.

Does level feeling affect quality of drops?

[Derakon]

Level feeling does not affect anything; it's merely a crude measurement of the quality of what is already there when the level is created.

[Grotug]

Good to know about level feelings; thanks Derakon.

Well, I found 2 potions of DEX on DL23 and King of the Urak Hai dropped a (useless) Beaked Axe of Theoden. I feel sorry for Theoden, how did he kill anything with that *slow* weapon? That was a 3-5 level feeling. I like the telepathy of the Beaked axe but most of the time it's doing half the damage of my whip of flame.

Does level feeling affect quality of drops?

I guess I'm not meant to wield a sharp weapon? I should probably look up somewhere which are the blunt weapons and which are the pointy ones. I'm assuming (since I'm a Paladin) that this is a pointy weapon and thus why it works poorly in my hands.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Good to know about level feelings; thanks Derakon.



I guess I'm not meant to wield a sharp weapon? I should probably look up somewhere which are the blunt weapons and which are the pointy ones. I'm assuming (since I'm a Paladin) that this is a pointy weapon and thus why it works poorly in my hands.

Paladins don't have the edged weapon restriction, only priests, if I recall correctly. Which makes sense if you think about all those Knight Templars hacking away with swords during the crusades.

Hang on to Theoden at home for now, or carry as a swap for the ESP. Once you get @ Str and Dex up, it will probably outperform the whip.

[Derakon]

Paladins don't have the edged weapon restriction, only priests, if I recall correctly. Which makes sense if you think about all those Knight Templars hacking away with swords during the crusades.

The blunt weapon restriction has never made any kind of sense, but oh well. It's just something D&D invented (along with many, many other "historical" irregularities like ringmail and studded leather armor) and Angband went with it.

[Nivra]

The blunt weapon restriction has never made any kind of sense, but oh well. It's just something D&D invented (along with many, many other "historical" irregularities like ringmail and studded leather armor) and Angband went with it.

Yah, this was a really weird invention. Why in the world would god frown upon a dagger stab but not a crushed skull?

[Grotug]

Hello! Just picked up a Ring of Speed <+5> on DL25 (2-8 feeling).

Apparently a Katana of Westernesse <+2> <+2> <+2> is a scrap of junk on DL26 (2-2 feeling). :O Prevents Paralysis, woohoo! Just in time as the creepy crawlies are about to paralyze in force. Some nice drops, too from the naga pit (gloves of slaying, ?enchant armor, ?enchant dam).

[Timo Pietilä]

I guess I'm not meant to wield a sharp weapon? I should probably look up somewhere which are the blunt weapons and which are the pointy ones. I'm assuming (since I'm a Paladin) that this is a pointy weapon and thus why it works poorly in my hands.

As others pointed out edged weapon penalty applies only to priests. It's spell failure rate penalty, and a tiny to_hit penalty. Both irrelevant at high enough level, you still reach 0% failure to all major spells at clvl 50 WIS 18/***, and to_hit penalty is so small that I tend to forget that it even exists.

Paladins don't have any weapon penalties. Or any other type of restrictions, except that they can't reach 0% failure just like any other half-caster.

[Rowan]

"Put that dagger down this INSTANT!"

"Why?"

"You're a priest! Shame on you for ever wanting to cut things! Here, this meat tenderizer is good enough for you!"

"...but you're a priest, and you're wielding an executioner's sword..."

"Oh.... well, this one's blessed."

[AnonymousHero]

"Put that dagger down this INSTANT!"

"Why?"

"You're a priest! Shame on you for ever wanting to cut things! Here, this meat tenderizer is good enough for you!"

"...but you're a priest, and you're wielding an executioner's sword..."

"Oh.... well, this one's blessed."

Yeah, it never made sense. It's even hard to argue that a mace is less blood-shedding than a sword, which I think was the original justification (not spilling blood). (Granted it's not piercing or slashing, but that has nothing to do with blood... "spillage".)