Needs some advice (newbie lvl 22 Hobbit rouge)...

[sam_snowy]

After many stupid deaths of my first few characters (mostly overwhelmed by mice), I tried a hobbit rouge. In first impression, his damage isn't good
(I guess because of the low strength start, compared to a warrior). I think that the motivation for me at that time is his stealth and the best item I think I would ever get (or at least, the most useful one):

The rod of Identify (Wondering about its rarity...Found it at dlvl 5)
Well, I never have to use my pseudo-ID (or what its name is) again or use gold on stupid ID scrolls on useless stuff.

This is a very promising character and I don't want to do something stupid. Is there any advice for my current character before I go down to dlvl 20?(Still need detect invisible as some say) Thanks alot!

Here is my character dump: (sorry if it's in the wrong format, its my first time and I'm trying to mimic what others are doing)

[Angband-v4 4.0-dev Character Dump]

 Name   Hope                                     Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Sex    Male         Age             23   STR:  18/62  -2  +0  +0  18/42
 Race   Hobbit       Height          34   INT:     14  +2  +1  +0     17
 Class  Rogue        Weight          60   WIS:     10  +1  -3  +0      8
 Title  Burglar      Social   Respected   DEX:     14  +3  +3  +2  18/40
 HP     167/167      Maximize         Y   CON:     13  +2  -1  +0     14
 SP     13/19                             CHR:      8  +1  -1  +0      8

 Level               22   Armor    [23,+48]     Saving Throw         69%
 Cur Exp          10506   Fight     (+4,+3)     Stealth           Superb
 Max Exp          10506   Melee    (+11,+9)     Fighting          Superb
 Adv Exp          11340   Shoot    (+5,+14)     Shooting          Superb
 MaxDepth    950' (L19)   Blows    3.3/turn     Disarming            95%
 Game Turns      944593   Shots      1/turn     Magic Device          74
 Standard Turns   92838   Infra      100 ft     Perception       1 in 11
 Resting Turns     3050   Speed      Normal     Searching            44%
 Gold             29657   Burden   95.6 lbs

 You are one of several children of a Hobbit Warrior.  You are a credit
 to the family.  You have hazel eyes, straight brown hair, and an
 average complexion.


rAcid:......+...... Nexus:.............
rElec:....+.....+.. Nethr:.............
rFire:........+.... Chaos:.............
rCold:............. Disen:.............
rPois:............. Feath:.............
rLite:..........+.. pFear:.............
rDark:............. pBlnd:.............
Sound:............. pConf:.............
Shard:............. pStun:.............

Light:.....+....+.. Tunn.:.............
Regen:............. Speed:.............
  ESP:............. Blows:.............
Invis:............. Shots:.............
FrAct:............. Might:.............
HLife:............+ S.Dig:.............
Stea.:.......+..... ImpHP:.............
Sear.:.............  Fear:.............
Infra:.........+..+ Aggrv:.............


  [Character Equipment]

a) a Silver Rapier of Agility (1d6) (+7,+6) <+2>
     Dropped by Sm閍gol at 300 feet (level 6).
     
     +2 dexterity.
     Slays undead.
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     
     Combat info:
     3.3 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 3.5 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 3.7 blows
     Average damage/round: 54.6 vs. undead, and 42.6 vs. others.
     
     
b) a Short Bow of Power (x2) (+1,+14)
     Found lying on the floor at 850 feet (level 17).
     
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
c) a Ring of Protection [+13]
     Found lying on the floor of a special room at 650 feet (level 13).
     
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     
     
d) a Ring of Protection [+11]
     Found lying on the floor at 750 feet (level 15).
     
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     
     
e) an Amulet of Resist Lightning
     Found lying on the floor at 300 feet (level 6).
     
     Provides resistance to lightning.
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
     
f) a Lantern of Everburning <+2>
     Bought from a store.
     
     +2 light radius.
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     
     No fuel required.  
g) a Jerkin of Resist Acid [8,+0]
     Bought from a store.
     
     Provides resistance to acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     Can be destroyed by fire.
     
     
h) a Cloak of Stealth [1,+3] <+2>
     Dropped by a Scout at 300 feet (level 6).
     
     +2 stealth.
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
i) a Large Shield of Resist Fire [5,-1]
     Bought from a store.
     
     Provides resistance to fire.
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     
     
j) a Soft Cap of Infravision [2,+0] <+6>
     Found lying on the floor at 500 feet (level 10).
     
     +6 infravision.
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     
     
k) the Set of Gauntlets 'Pauraegen' [3,+14] <+1>
     Found lying on the floor at 500 feet (level 10).
     
     +1 light radius.
     Provides resistance to lightning, light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When aimed, it creates a lightning bolt (that always beams) with
     damage 6d6.
     Takes 7 to 12 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 95.9%
     
     
l) a Tough Pair of Hard Boots of Durability [4,+6]
     Dropped by Orfax, Son of Boldor at 500 feet (level 10).
     
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     


  [Character Quiver]

n) 37 Arrows (1d4) (+0,+0)
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 100 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 33.3.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
     
o) (nothing)
p) (nothing)
q) (nothing)
r) (nothing)
s) (nothing)
t) (nothing)
u) (nothing)
v) (nothing)
w) (nothing)


  [Character Inventory]

a) 3 Books of Magic Spells [Magic for Beginners]
     Can be destroyed by fire.
     
     
b) a Book of Magic Spells [Conjurings and Tricks]
     Bought from a store.
     
     Can be destroyed by fire.
     
     
c) a Book of Magic Spells [Incantations and Illusions]
     Bought from a store.
     
     Can be destroyed by fire.
     
     
d) 2 Rations of Food
     Bought from a store.
     
     
e) 4 Mushrooms of Fast Recovery
     Found lying on the floor at 50 feet (level 1).
     
     
f) 5 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
     Can be destroyed by cold.
     
     
g) a Potion of Intellect
     Dropped by an Acolyte at 950 feet (level 19).
     
     Can be destroyed by cold.
     
     
h) 3 Potions of Speed
     Can be destroyed by cold.
     
     
i) 5 Potions of Berserk Strength
     Can be destroyed by cold.
     
     
j) 5 Potions of True Seeing
     Can be destroyed by cold.
     
     
k) 8 Scrolls of Phase Door
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
l) 2 Scrolls of Teleportation
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
m) 6 Scrolls of Detect Invisible
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
n) a Scroll of Word of Recall
     Bought from a store.
     
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
o) a Rod of Probing (charging)
     Found lying on the floor at 900 feet (level 18).
     
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     
     
p) a Rod of Acid Bolts
     Found lying on the floor at 850 feet (level 17).
     
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     
     
q) a Rod of Curing
     Dropped by an unknown monster at 900 feet (level 18).
     
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     
     
r) a Rod of Identify (charging)
     Found lying on the floor at 250 feet (level 5).
     
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
     
s) a Ring of Teleportation <+2>
     Dropped by an Acolyte at 950 feet (level 19).
     
     +2 speed.
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     Induces random teleportation.  
     
     
t) a Topaz Katana of Slay Evil (3d5) (+2,+2)
     Dropped by Ulfast, Son of Ulfang at 950 feet (level 19).
     
     Slays evil creatures.
     Branded with weak lightning.
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     
     Combat info:
     1.6 blows/round.
     With +3 STR and +0 DEX you would get 2.0 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 2.0 blows
     Average damage/round: 39.5 vs. evil creatures, 39.5 vs. creatures
     not resistant to electricity, and 24 vs. others.
     
     
u) a Gnomish Whip (1d2) (+0,-1) <+2>
     Found lying on the floor at 150 feet (level 3).
     
     +2 tunneling.
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     Combat info:
     3.5 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 3.8 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 3.8 blows
     Average damage/round: 12.4.
     
     


  [Home Inventory]

a) 4 Books of Magic Spells [Magic for Beginners]
     Can be destroyed by fire.
     
     
b) a Book of Magic Spells [Conjurings and Tricks]
     Bought from a store.
     
     Can be destroyed by fire.
     
     
c) 4 Mushrooms of Vigor
     
d) 5 Mushrooms of Clear Mind
     
e) 4 Scrolls of Phase Door
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
f) 10 Scrolls of Detect Invisible
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
g) 5 Scrolls of Remove Curse
     Bought from a store.
     
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
h) 7 Scrolls of Word of Recall
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
i) 2 Rings of Teleportation <+2>
     Found lying on the floor at 250 feet (level 5).
     
     +2 speed.
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     Induces random teleportation.  
     
     
j) 2 Rings of Escaping <+4>
     +4 speed.
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     Makes you afraid of melee, and worse at shooting and casting
     spells.  
     
     
k) a Ring of the Mouse (+0,-8) <+4>
     Found lying on the floor at 350 feet (level 7).
     
     +4 dexterity, stealth.
     Can be destroyed by electricity.
     
     
l) an Amulet of Charisma <+3>
     Bought from a store.
     
     +3 charisma.
     Sustains charisma.
     
     
m) an Amulet of Resist Acid
     Bought from a store.
     
     Provides resistance to acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
     
n) Ring Mail of Resist Lightning (-2) [38,+0]
     Bought from a store.
     
     Provides resistance to lightning.
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     
     
o) a Silk Robe of Resist Cold [1,+0]
     Dropped by Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief at 600 feet (level 12).
     
     Provides resistance to lightning, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by electricity, cold.
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
p) a Helm of Beauty [7,+0] <+2>
     Bought from a store.
     
     +2 charisma.
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     Sustains charisma.
     
     
q) a Set of Gloves of Free Action [1,+0]
     Found lying on the floor at 100 feet (level 2).
     
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
     
r) a Tough Pair of Soft Boots of Stability [3,+6]
     Dropped by Grishn醟h, the Hill Orc at 500 feet (level 10).
     
     Provides resistance to nexus.
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
s) a Forester's Short Sword of Slaying (1d8) (+8,+5)
     Dropped by Mughash the Kobold Lord at 400 feet (level 8).
     
     Branded with weak lightning, weak venom.
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     
     Combat info:
     2.0 blows/round.
     With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 2.3 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 2.3 blows
     Average damage/round: 35.2 vs. creatures not resistant to
     electricity, 35.2 vs. creatures not resistant to poison, and 25.8
     vs. others.
     
     
t) a Journeyman's Battle Axe of Venom (2d8) (+1,+4)
     Found lying on the floor at 850 feet (level 17).
     
     Branded with venom.
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     Combat info:
     1.3 blows/round.
     With +3 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.6 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 1.6 blows
     Average damage/round: 47.7 vs. creatures not resistant to poison,
     and 22.4 vs. others.
     
     
u) a Golden Lucerne Hammer of Venom (2d5) (+3,+6) <+1>
     Dropped by Bullroarer the Hobbit at 200 feet (level 4).
     
     +1 light radius.
     Slays evil creatures.
     Branded with venom.
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     Combat info:
     1.3 blows/round.
     With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.6 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 1.6 blows
     Average damage/round: 29.2 vs. evil creatures, 37.6 vs. creatures
     not resistant to poison, and 20.8 vs. others.
     
     
v) a Whip of *Slay Evil* (1d3) (+3,+4) <+1, +2>
     Dropped by Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman at 550 feet (level 11).
     
     +1 tunneling.
     +2 wisdom.
     Slays evil creatures, trolls.
     Branded with venom.
     Provides protection from blindness.
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     Blessed by the gods.  
     
     Combat info:
     3.3 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 3.5 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 3.5 blows
     Average damage/round: 37.2 vs. evil creatures, 43.9 vs. trolls,
     43.9 vs. creatures not resistant to poison, and 30.3 vs. others.
     
     
w) a Light Crossbow of Slaying (x3) (+2,+2)
     Bought from a store.
     
     Can be destroyed by acid, fire.
     
     
x) 31 Bolts of Slaying (1d5) (+1,+2)
     Can be destroyed by acid.
     
     


============================================================
                   CHAR.
|   TURN  | DEPTH |LEVEL| EVENT
============================================================
         1      0'    1   Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
      7097     50'    2   Reached level 2
     13195     50'    3   Reached level 3
     40239     50'    4   Reached level 4
     50357     50'    5   Reached level 5
     57775      0'    5   Killed Farmer Maggot
    101923     50'    6   Reached level 6
    129483    100'    6   Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog
    154665    100'    7   Reached level 7
    185885    100'    8   Reached level 8
    193974    150'    8   Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's dog
    227259    100'    9   Reached level 9
    248476    250'   10   Reached level 10
    283500    250'   11   Reached level 11
    365158    250'   12   Reached level 12
    444845    250'   13   Reached level 13
    481430    300'   13   Killed Sm茅agol
    525292    350'   14   Reached level 14
    563255    200'   14   Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit
    600687    350'   15   Reached level 15
    621092    400'   15   Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord
    669534    450'   15   Killed Lagduf, the Snaga
    669534    450'   16   Reached level 16
    685809    500'   16   Killed Orfax, Son of Boldor
    695417    450'   17   Reached level 17
    698933    500'   17   Found the Set of Gauntlets 'Pauraegen'
    743239    450'   17   Killed Brodda, the Easterling
    757816    500'   17   Killed Grishn谩kh, the Hill Orc
    762693    550'   17   Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
    762693    550'   18   Reached level 18
    788373    600'   18   Killed Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief
    788734    600'   19   Reached level 19
    836079    750'   20   Reached level 20
    864100    900'   21   Reached level 21
    900788    900'   21   Killed Boldor, King of the Yeeks
    914270    950'   22   Reached level 22
    932261    950'   22   Killed Ulfast, Son of Ulfang


  [Options]

Maximise effect of race/class bonuses        : yes (birth_maximize)
Randomise the artifacts (except a very few)  : no  (birth_randarts)
Restrict the use of stairs/recall            : no  (birth_ironman)
Restrict the use of stores/home              : no  (birth_no_stores)
Restrict creation of artifacts               : no  (birth_no_artifacts)
Don't stack objects on the floor             : no  (birth_no_stacking)
Lose artifacts when leaving level            : no  (birth_no_preserve)
Don't generate connected stairs              : no  (birth_no_stairs)
Don't show level feelings                    : no  (birth_no_feelings)
Items always sell for 0 gold                 : no  (birth_no_selling)
Use previous set of randarts                 : yes (birth_keep_randarts)
Monsters chase recent locations              : yes (birth_ai_smell)
Monsters act smarter in groups               : yes (birth_ai_packs)
Monsters learn from their mistakes           : no  (birth_ai_learn)
Monsters exploit player's weaknesses         : no  (birth_ai_cheat)
Monsters behave more intelligently (broken)  : no  (birth_ai_smart)

Thanks for helping!

[Derakon]

You're in pretty good shape. The most important thing you're missing, though, isn't See Invisible -- it's Free Action. Wear your Gloves of Free Action instead of Pauraegen. You'll lose lightning resistance, but better that than risking getting paralyzed -- paralysis can easily end your life.

Once you find a Ring of Free Action, you can replace one of your Rings of Protection (pretty worthless rings) with that and switch back to Pauraegen. Then you'll really be in good shape. I'd also suggest wearing a Ring of See Invisible instead of a Ring of Protection. Extra AC isn't especially valuable, at least not in the quantities provided by those rings.

Good luck!

[sam_snowy]

You're in pretty good shape. The most important thing you're missing, though, isn't See Invisible -- it's Free Action. Wear your Gloves of Free Action instead of Pauraegen. You'll lose lightning resistance, but better that than risking getting paralyzed -- paralysis can easily end your life.

Once you find a Ring of Free Action, you can replace one of your Rings of Protection (pretty worthless rings) with that and switch back to Pauraegen. Then you'll really be in good shape. I'd also suggest wearing a Ring of See Invisible instead of a Ring of Protection. Extra AC isn't especially valuable, at least not in the quantities provided by those rings.

Good luck!

Thanks for the advice! I thought Hobbits have inherent paralyze immunity... I hope rings of see invisible is not hard to find..

[Derakon]

No, that's gnomes that have inherent Free Action. Hobbits have their dexterity sustained.

All of your abilities, whether inherent or from equipment, will show up on the second page of your character screen. You should get used to checking that over every time you change equipment to make certain you aren't missing anything important.

[sam_snowy]

oh... so the plus sign on the second Character screen is the idea of resistence. Thanks again, I can't wait diving deeper!

[sam_snowy]

Just got to dlvl 28... Found 2 awesome weapons that can let me hit 281/round with poisin or half against those who resist.
By the way, what is the (XN) in front of shooting weapons for, is it shooting power or range?

[Derakon]

By the way, what is the (XN) in front of shooting weapons for, is it shooting power or range?

Yes.

It's both a multiplier and a governor for the launcher's range. An x4 launcher, for example, deals (4 + slay bonus) * (ammo dice roll + ammo damage bonus + launcher damage bonus) damage. It also has more range than an x2 or x3 launcher.

[sam_snowy]

Arghh... My first promising character dead...dlvl 37, clvl33, killed by a unique dragon.
I was always wondering why everyone is scared of gravity breathes....
And I found out...the hard way.
Well, I had fun playing a rouge, lets try a mage this time!

[Magnate]

Arghh... My first promising character dead...dlvl 37, clvl33, killed by a unique dragon.
I was always wondering why everyone is scared of gravity breathes....
And I found out...the hard way.
Well, I had fun playing a rouge, lets try a mage this time!

Ah yes, welcome to Kavlax. We ought to code up a league table of which monsters have killed the most chars, it would be easy enough to do. He'll be easily in the top five.

[sam_snowy]

Yep, I used rod of probing on him. Kavlax the many-headed dragon or something like that. I think I was too arrogant in the end when I can deal 400/round, well at least I learnt something!
I think giant white mice and those explosive breeding critters would be on the top five as well.(maybe indirect death by Farmer maggot? I remembered my mage got trapped in a store by Farmer maggot(too much HP) while a mercenary starts pounding my mage to pulp)