[3.30] charset / colors under windows

[Tibarius]

Hi,

i am using Win XP, Version 2002, SP3.

Angband 3.20 looks for me like this:
Town has brown walls and dots for each space within. Lit dungeon walls are white and unlit walls are dark grey.

Angband 3.30 looks for me like this:
Town has red walls (and not the familiar # but instead a special char, i cannot reproduce on the keyboard). Lit dungeon walls are sometimes light and dark gray at the same time. The dots for each space within are smaller than in 3.20.

I don't like the new optic. Is this a feature?

If not, what can i do to get my old charset back?

Thanks in advance,
Tibarius

[d_m]

Angband 3.30 looks for me like this:
Town has red walls (and not the familiar # but instead a special char, i cannot reproduce on the keyboard). Lit dungeon walls are sometimes light and dark gray at the same time. The dots for each space within are smaller than in 3.20.

I don't like the new optic. Is this a feature?

Can you post screenshots of 3.2.0 and 3.3.0 (or link to them)?

[Jazerus]

Delete the fonts-win.prf file under [angband folder]/lib/pref to eliminate the use of "graphical" characters.

I'd personally like a better ingame way to switch between "old" and "new" style graphics (# vs. block for walls, for example), but until then that's the best way to switch back to the older display style.

[Tibarius]

old charset

Originally posted by Jazerus
Delete the fonts-win.prf file under [angband folder]/lib/pref to eliminate the use of "graphical" characters.

Thanks, that worked for me (i just renamed the file tho)!

Originally posted by d_m
Can you post screenshots of 3.2.0 and 3.3.0 (or link to them)?

I dunno how to do that. But i did the following:

Options Menu => v) interact with visuals (advanced) => d) dump feature attr/chars

Once with the standard package and once with the deleted (renamed) font-win file.

The permanent walls have different attr/chars in the two files.

[buzzkill]

In Windows you can produce a screen dump by pressing shift-PrtSc (next to F12). This will copy the current screen to the clipboard. From there you can paste it into your favorite graphic editor and do what you want with it. There's also a keypress to only copy the active window, but I forget what it is (maybe Shift-Alt-PrtSc).

[Timo Pietilä]

There's also a keypress to only copy the active window, but I forget what it is (maybe Shift-Alt-PrtSc).

Just Alt-PrintScrn

[kaypy]

I'd personally like a better ingame way to switch between "old" and "new" style graphics (# vs. block for walls, for example), but until then that's the best way to switch back to the older display style.

You can also use the knowledge menus to edit the feature visuals on a case by case basis (this wont get everything-at-once, but you may not want that anyway...)

[Timo Pietilä]

You can also use the knowledge menus to edit the feature visuals on a case by case basis (this wont get everything-at-once, but you may not want that anyway...)

That unfortunately is not enough, because there are now three symbols / feature, one light, one dark and one something between. Also you can't save those in knowledge-menu.

This is one UI feature that is unfinished.

I tried to search ticket for that, but didn't find any. Should I make a "reminder" ticket about this?

[kaypy]

That unfortunately is not enough, because there are now three symbols / feature, one light, one dark and one something between. Also you can't save those in knowledge-menu.

There are three char/attr pairs for a given feature, but you can swap which one you are editing until all three are to your liking (use L for Lighting). I was able to get it possible-to-change-everything-ingame pretty easily. Getting the UI *decent* would be a lot harder. I wasn't able to figure out what it ought to look like, let alone make it happen- there isn't anywhere I could see to logically put an indicator for which pair you are editing, for example.

First that needs figuring out (and getting working)
Then it could use documenting (I wouldn't recommend putting too much documentation in place until getting the UI right)
Saving the visuals from that screen would be a logical addition about this time, too.
Oh, and IIRC you can make things go *really* strange by using the mouse on that screen...

[Timo Pietilä]

There are three char/attr pairs for a given feature, but you can swap which one you are editing until all three are to your liking (use L for Lighting).

That doesn't work in my copy (official 3.3). Pressing 'l' does nothing as far as I can tell. Or UI sucks so much that it does, but doesn't indicate it in any way....

I figured it out, you need to press 'l' before you go to edit visuals. And it doesn't tell you that you just changed lightning, or what setting you are at that point editing.

There is also mysterious "'c' to copy" at the bottom of the screen. Copy what? Where? if I press it "'p' to paste" appears, but I still don't know what I am copying and where.

IMO it was easier to edit those directly in pref-files than in UI once you figured out codes for symbols and colors.

I repeat the question which I made earlier: should I make a ticket from this, or is this already work in progress?

[kaypy]

That doesn't work in my copy (official 3.3). Pressing 'l' does nothing as far as I can tell. Or UI sucks so much that it does, but doesn't indicate it in any way....

I think I already implied that the UI sucks... The display options are limited by the knowledge menu framework, and I couldn't see where I should show an indicator...

Copy/paste was in there before I got to it- it copy/pastes the current pair. So for example you can set one tile and clplp to get the other lighting options the same. Or copy from one feature to another. Or from a feature to a monster, etc.

I repeat the question which I made earlier: should I make a ticket from this, or is this already work in progress?

The only attention this area has received is random-guy-with-patch, so a ticket may be a good idea. But random-guy-with-patch may not be the best source of advice on that, either...

[Timo Pietilä]

The only attention this area has received is random-guy-with-patch, so a ticket may be a good idea. But random-guy-with-patch may not be the best source of advice on that, either...

If you are the one with the patch, let me say that it is better than it previously was, but it still needs work, that's all. I'll make a ticket for that.

[kaypy]

Had another poke around at it. Would something like this work better? Still seems rather clunky. Any ideas would be appreciated.



Patch:
visualsUI2.txt