No Sell - I am convinced

[Timo Pietilä]

count me among one who's tried no-sell and hates it. now i know i'm not a good player, and i accept that.

Wanting to sell doesn't make one bad player. This is a game, its purpose is to be fun, so whatever makes you feel good is the way to play.

[Derakon]

I have to agree that no-selling is orthogonal to ID-by-use. Still, if you don't like no-selling, then play without. The selling game isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Probably the riskiest item to ID-by-use in the early game is Summon Monster. My latest character barely survived using one; if I'd been smart I would have been standing on a staircase, but I got lazy and nearly died (after blowing all my escapes and healing). And later on Curse Weapon and Curse Armor still exist. I had another character get his body armor blasted at around 500' and spent the next 1500' wearing it before enchantment finally broke the curse. That was interesting. Though if his weapon had been blasted I would probably have given up.

Testing potions by use is almost risk free; just don't do it in combat in case you turn up Salt Water and immediately faint from lack of food. And scrolls are usually safe if you just use them while on a staircase until you turn up Summon Monster. Though, past 800' or so I'm IDing everything I find before using it anyway.

[dos350]

ive been ruined by scrolls of curse, scrolls of summon and summon undead, but also, +1/-1 unid potion can ruin ur setup alot lol, u get unexpected +1-1 go wrong, it suk!

[Jazerus]

Use-ID is pretty much only useful the first dive, since after that you can usually afford ID; I've been burnt on Summon Monster before, but most of the other dangerously negative (or mixed-blessing, like gain/loss) potions and scrolls don't show up until you've probably been back to town and picked up a staff of ID. I wouldn't use-ID past about 500' personally.

[Magnate]

Use-ID is pretty much only useful the first dive, since after that you can usually afford ID; I've been burnt on Summon Monster before, but most of the other dangerously negative (or mixed-blessing, like gain/loss) potions and scrolls don't show up until you've probably been back to town and picked up a staff of ID. I wouldn't use-ID past about 500' personally.

I thought everybody avoided being burned by Summon Monster (or Summon Undead) by making sure they were standing on a staircase before reading any untried scrolls. One day d_m will fix monster energy so that summons are guaranteed not to move before @ gets a turn, and then all will be fine ;-) (at the moment it only happens about 2-5% of the time anyway).

[dos350]

i saw some blah blah about other monsters in room losing a turn if it were to be fixed,

please~ dont bother!

the conseqeunces that can happen are punishment for lozer!

[Jazerus]

I thought everybody avoided being burned by Summon Monster (or Summon Undead) by making sure they were standing on a staircase before reading any untried scrolls. One day d_m will fix monster energy so that summons are guaranteed not to move before @ gets a turn, and then all will be fine ;-) (at the moment it only happens about 2-5% of the time anyway).

99% of the time I find Summon Monster quite early and it produces a centipede or something else innocuous, so I've never really developed the stairs habit. The 1% of times when I'm a bit deeper and still haven't found it are the ones that are (very, very occasionally) fatal, or at least harrowing.

[Magnate]

99% of the time I find Summon Monster quite early and it produces a centipede or something else innocuous, so I've never really developed the stairs habit. The 1% of times when I'm a bit deeper and still haven't found it are the ones that are (very, very occasionally) fatal, or at least harrowing.

Wow, you are lucky. I developed the standing-on-stairs technique after losing dozens of chars to OOD monsters in the first few dlevs - baby dragons being particularly difficult for low level chars to get away from or defeat.

[Max Stats]

Or do you mean that the volume of selling that a player does at a shop is greater than the volume of buying, so eventually the merchant would theoretically bankrupt himself with a large amount of unsalable stock? I suppose that can be explained by saying that the timed restocks of shops represent NPC transactions...

The timed restocks happen when a traveling merchant caravan happens though town. They buy all that valuable stuff that the shopkeeper bought from you, and he uses the proceeds to keep him stocked up on his essentials. Occasionally they happen by with a nice enchanted item for the keeper to stick into his stock. The Black Market guy just knows the best caravans to trade with, and bribes them to keep them from trading with the regular keepers, hence the need to charge the exorbitant prices he does.

[Antoine]

i saw some blah blah about other monsters in room losing a turn if it were to be fixed,

please~ dont bother!

the conseqeunces that can happen are punishment for lozer!

MAGNATE here's your new sig. "PUNISHMENT FOR LOZER"

A.

[Derakon]

The timed restocks happen when a traveling merchant caravan happens though town. They buy all that valuable stuff that the shopkeeper bought from you, and he uses the proceeds to keep him stocked up on his essentials. Occasionally they happen by with a nice enchanted item for the keeper to stick into his stock. The Black Market guy just knows the best caravans to trade with, and bribes them to keep them from trading with the regular keepers, hence the need to charge the exorbitant prices he does.

And the caravans are terrified of the townsperson-slaughtering PC, hence why the stores don't restock until you go into the dungeon!

[Antoine]

And the caravans are terrified of the townsperson-slaughtering PC, hence why the stores don't restock until you go into the dungeon!

By the way, the Berserker in Quickband actually has to slaughter townsfolk

(To get his rage up so he can use his 'Shrewdness' ability to get better shop prices)

A.

[dos350]

excuse me, i feel i am being abused by this angband community! , and it hurts ~!~!~!

i raise serious issues, everytime u are thinking its a joke , please no rage~

[Max Stats]

excuse me, i feel i am being abused by this angband community!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhXnZUCAu8c

(Oh, BTW-- )

[Netbrian]

Shopkeepers buy for less than they sell for, and presumably they sell all the ego items you sell to them "off-camera" for a very large amount of money, making them by far the wealthiest people in Middle-earth.

It's a nice job if you can get it.

If I were a shopkeeper, I'd poison Potions of Life. Everyone saves them for the end anyway, and if Morgoth goes down, I'd be out of business.