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**pampl** · February 11, 2011, 16:45

Originally posted by dos350

sorry i am not explaining WHY i think these proposed or arranged plans are bad, i think they speak for themselves?? for me they do anyway,

They don't for me, and I'd like to hear why you think they're bad. People wouldn't be suggesting these things if they thought they were self-evidently bad.

Also, AFAIK nobody wants to remove maximize. I also don't think anyone's considering moving V to a % based system.

**Timo Pietilä** · February 11, 2011, 16:51

Originally posted by pampl

They don't for me, and I'd like to hear why you think they're bad. People wouldn't be suggesting these things if they thought they were self-evidently bad.

Isn't it obvious? He likes easy games. I think 3.2 is easiest release of the Angband history, so anything that makes game harder makes it less desirable to him.

**dos350** · February 11, 2011, 16:57

no timo, ur wrong, i want a game that is fun to play, how i like to play, not some nazi camp u want for everyone,

and pample, yes remove maximize isnt ajoke, its a ticket open~ http://trac.rephial.org/ticket/1297 (interesting??? not to me!!!)

**CunningGabe** · February 11, 2011, 17:03

First of all, if version 3.2.0 is your favorite, then great! It's not going anywhere. If you decide you don't like the next version, then you can keep playing 3.2.0.

However, you have to realize a few things. First, lots of people throw lots of ideas around for Vanilla, and in the end only a few get implemented. Just because some people think that thing A would be nice for vanilla doesn't mean it'll end up there.

Second, it's natural to resist changes, even if they're for the better. Instead of getting up in arms anytime something is changed, ask why it was changed, and really listen instead of instinctively reacting against it. You might not agree with the change in the end, but I think you might surprise yourself and find that you can see the good in some changes.

For example, the reason that restore stat potions were removed and that stats now restore on level-up is because if you got a stat drained and the town didn't have the potion you wanted, you had to either suck it up and continue, or town-scum for the potion. It's bad if the player feels "forced" to scum. So how do we fix this situation? If restore stat potions are always in the town, then there's not a lot of point to stat draining. So, now there are no restore stat potions, but the effect will eventually clear up on its own. Note that if you drink a potion of strength, for example, it restores your strength first and then gives you an extra point. There are also still other methods to restore your stats -- mushrooms of vigor, for example.

If you want the game to be fun for you, your best bet is to suggest additions that you would like, and to comment *constructively* on proposed changes. No one is going to listen to you if you respond to every proposal with "please no!!!"

**Philip** · February 11, 2011, 17:10

1. Not being considered.
2. Already done in nightlies, interesting change, yet to be tested.
3. Because as a result of less junk and such things, good stuff is too common.
4. Why not. There is justification, by moving to a portal system.
5. That makes the game easier, so I don't know why you're opposed. And it's preferred by the majority, including you. This is the second poll which you voted on and then changed your opinion. It confuses everyone.
6. You mean the thread where someone posted an AAR and was afraid he was cheating by turning on a cheat option? That info is not now availible. In fact the only stuff mentioned was taking it off the cheat option list and doesn't in any way affect difficulty.
I don't know what the trouble is. You should be glad that there isn't anything more radical being suggested.

**Philip** · February 11, 2011, 17:20

A game that is fun to play is one that you can win each time? I think you do not realize that not every angband game is to be one, although Timo and Powerdiver have impressive records(bookless hobbit mage, ironman artifactless egoless win). They also have had many a sequence of winning chars, but it should be impossible to win every game, especially if you've been only able to win through stair-scumming(and with The One).

**dos350** · February 11, 2011, 17:21

hi ill try to get in fast, phillip, sorry but 1 is being considered, see my link,e eee, also i didnt change my mind, please if u read wat i said u will see.. i cant remember other poll u are speaking of..

also

gabe i know wat u mean and i know i sound maybe like loz, but believe me ~ i dont think the game needs change, and i think nearly any change suggested ~ if it changes things in a real way, ill be against it... i would be contributing suggestions but i dont have any and i dont think the game needs any, i think it needs protection rather than improvement (which by the looks of it i will see as destruction).

edit~~~~~~~~~ NOT FAST ENOUGH!!

sorry phillip, i dont care wat the others are doing or how, but i congratulate their wins....... i hav lost about 99.9% more than i have won, and i think thats the same for most people,

a game that is fun to me is one where u are free to play in a way u like, not one where options become mandates

**CunningGabe** · February 11, 2011, 17:24

Originally posted by dos350

gabe i know wat u mean and i know i sound maybe like loz, but believe me ~ i dont think the game needs change, and i think nearly any change suggested ~ if it changes things in a real way, ill be against it... i would be contributing suggestions but i dont have any and i dont think the game needs any, i think it needs protection rather than improvement (which by the looks of it i will see as destruction).

Then do as I said -- stick with 3.2.0. If you're not looking for changes, why do you care so much what the future versions will be?

**dos350** · February 11, 2011, 17:29

ive heard that before , and cunning u are very right, i shouldnt care, but i do , because i have hope for this game, and i would greatly enjoy a version that i find more fun than the current.

on the flipside , i would be sad to see a version that i dislike compared to the previous, even though i could still play old one, i think it would detract from more than the actual game..

**bulian** · February 11, 2011, 17:36

stats now restore on level-up

Wow, thats a brilliant idea. I'm amazed at the amount of development work going into the game since a major release just occurred. Kudos to the developers.

Philip, back off on DOS350. You've double responded to half of his posts. Your disdain for his way of playing is clear.

**Philip** · February 11, 2011, 17:40

Originally posted by dos350

no timo, ur wrong, i want a game that is fun to play, how i like to play, not some nazi camp u want for everyone,

and pample, yes remove maximize isnt ajoke, its a ticket open~ http://trac.rephial.org/ticket/1297 (interesting??? not to me!!!)

This appears to be a post that is more interesting than your later one. NAZI CAMP?? Really. I am a bit surprised although I should not be, you have made these allegations before. Maybe it is being considered for what I know, and interesting is IMO just meant to be food for thought, but I won't mind whatever happens. In your later post you deny screwing up polls, so I would introduce you to exhibit A, 17. post.
and exhibit B, which is slightly more recent, this time 22. post.
Does the defense have anything to say about this? Slightly more seriously, you, although you keep telling us about our rage, are the only one insulting anyone, which is also directly the topic of 1/4 or so of your posts, another 1/2 are insulting the development and the last 1/4 is about the joys of stairscumming. You have also shown, over time, quite a hatred of Timo, who gave it back, and I am not in the least surprised.
EDIT@bulian. Yeah, I guess you're right. I can't resist feeding the troll, I'll ignore him now. Is there an ignore function?
EDIT2. Ah, I see, I am also displaying a bit of rage here. I will not change the post though, I'll just try to be nicer to him in the future, if I decide to respond to him again.

**dos350** · February 11, 2011, 17:40

ty bullian, thats a fact!

ee, btw yes as a matter of fact i do like the restore on lvl up,
but imo it would be even better with stat potions still there!

thats not to say i think its better than just the pots, its not~ imo!

edit, please phillip, uve told me

**Derakon** · February 11, 2011, 17:48

Originally posted by dos350

ee, btw yes as a matter of fact i do like the restore on lvl up,
but imo it would be even better with stat potions still there!

thats not to say i think its better than just the pots, its not~ imo!

Every single post I have seen from you regarding difficulty is a request for the game to not be made harder or for the game to be made easier. Face it, mate, you're on the losing side of this argument. Unless you can provide a coherent and convincing argument for why a particular change is bad, you're not going to accomplish anything. Just saying that you don't like it isn't good enough.

And Philip, I'm with Bulian here. You may disagree with Dos350. I disagree with him. Practically everyone does. That doesn't mean we have to be rude. Could Dos350's grammar be better? Heck yes. He could write coherent posts if he really wanted to. But we don't have to be insulting about it.

That said, Dos350, comparing the devteam and veterans to a Nazi camp means you just lost the argument.

All in all, guys, any time you start feeling hot under the collar, remember, it's just a game. Angband is really not that important.

**fizzix** · February 11, 2011, 17:49

Originally posted by dos350

ive heard that before , and cunning u are very right, i shouldnt care, but i do , because i have hope for this game, and i would greatly enjoy a version that i find more fun than the current.

on the flipside , i would be sad to see a version that i dislike compared to the previous, even though i could still play old one, i think it would detract from more than the actual game..

You know...the source code is free and readily available. I knew nothing about coding in C before starting to muck around with Angband code so that I could add in changes that I liked for my own personal version. Yes it takes time and effort. But the result is that you get to play the game you like!

Git has a bit of a learning curve, but if you feel like getting that working as well, people will help you too.

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