please to help

[dos350]

hi there angband lords eee...

i have been playing this game for a few months on and off when my char dies and when i recover from the sadness etc, i havnt won yet...

anyway i read a lot about it cos i think it is the best game out.. prolly even more than i play it.. but ye i am now motivated to roll a new char cos a dude call buzzkill tells me i will get revenge on jabberwokky that ended a good run of mine..

i have been making high elf warriors and before that dwarf pala and doing wat i think is ok... ive lost my good chars to these things

death mould
greater baslisk
jabberwokky
ghast
nexus hound
gorlim, betrayer of something
summon undead eee ~

i usually try and go for many blows over dmg..

wat is good to do and wat is to look out for~ please giv help to my doggy i am new~~

i have just started a high elf warrior again ( stat 17,10,10,18,14,10) is that good eee??

i play now, please to giv feedback.. ill post if i die or do well, ty for listening alot~!~

[Adley]

a) Please, use english.
b) Most of the things that killed you are extremely dangerous. keep track of the things which looked really dangerous to you, and remember you can always flee. Better be safe than sorry.
c) About your stats : no. Wisdom, intelligence and charisma are not important early game for a warrior. Try using the point roller on next character and have st, dex and con at 18 to begin with, at least. High elf warrior is a good combo in my opinion though.

good luck, and keep us informed!

[dos350]

can get start stats that high~!?~!? eek! well i got a bit distracted by d2 , but im at dlvl 7 clvl 7 and is all going well lol~ i will post when i start getting far

[Timo Pietilä]

can get start stats that high~!?~!? eek! well i got a bit distracted by d2 , but im at dlvl 7 clvl 7 and is all going well lol~ i will post when i start getting far

Few advices.

In order of importance:

detection, evasion, endurance, damage.

IE:

Detect often. Knowing where and what your enemies are is vital for survival.
Don't fight what is not worth fighting, choose your fights. Speed, stealth, teleport other, *destruction*, anything that can get you out of the harms way is useful and valued.
Get your HP up and necessary resists against instant death -elements and side-effects for rest of them. Basically:Fire,Cold,Poison,Electricity,Acid,confus ion,blindness,nexus,sound.
Determine weapon quality by how much damage you can do with it.

Note that many people here value resistances or damage over HP. Those are not as important as HP as long as they are not preventing instant deaths. HP is what keeps you alive, so get that high ASAP. HP and speed are two major things that keep you alive. Anything faster than you might be able to kill you with double-move, anything that hits harder than what you have HP can kill you with single move.

Speed over damage until speed is +30+. Speed over nearly anything.

Don't melee melee-disenchanters (if you know what they are) unless you have disenchantment resistance. If something hits to disenchant and you don't have disenchantment resist bail out immediately. You can fight it later. Chaos prevents hallucination, but is otherwise less important. Lite and Dark prevent blindness from corresponding elements. Blindness prevents blindness from any source. Heroism gives you temporary resistance to fear. Nether damages you most of the high-elements, but is least damaging for side-effect, so that is something you don't absolutely need. Good to have, but not necessary. Shard is common damage source and damages quite a bit, but resistance to that is easy to get (cloaks of protection) and side-effect is not deadly. Sound prevents stunning from distance attacks. Stunned-heavily stunned-KO-RIP. Avoid master and grand master mystics until Greater Balrogs are just minor speed-bumps.

You can get immunities to four basic elements, they make both you and your gear completely immune to that element. Rare, but useful when you find them.

CCW and CSW potions heal quite a bit in 3.1.2 and newer, much more than in older versions. Collect and carry them (only CCW when you have money).

Learn to use swaps (later) when you have items that are good against something but not something else (defense or offense). With swaps you can expand your gear possibilities quite a bit.

[dos350]

yes i hear speed is the thing ey, im getting into this char now, clvl18 dlvl21, i have found one artifact (fire gauntlet thing) and found my first ever ring of resist poison~~~~!

that is a great thing imo!~ cos my last char was getting poison resist from armo and i kept it for that reason , even tho i had alot better armo!~~ im currently using an enchanted main gauche, should i use a trident of *slay animal*?? lol (4 blows with gauche, 3 with trident)

by the time i get reply i prolly have something better, and ty timo yes, i fought disenchanters on my last char and my blade went down to like -14-14 .... i spent alot of time buyin enchant weapon scrolls and it didnt even get back up to being good.. eek~

[dos350]

i got to dlvl 33 and there was a pit of good things, a grought (??) was near.. i meleed it...... eek.. the big ogre came out of the place and started raging me, all my charges of goodness had been eaten hoooooo... i had no way i to escape i think... heres my char eee..

  [Angband 3.1.2v2 Character Dump]

 Name   HOOBEWOKKY                               Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Sex    Male         Age            120   STR:     18  +1  +5  +3  18/90
 Race   High-Elf     Height         107   INT:     10  +3  -2  +0     11
 Class  Warrior      Weight         207   WIS:     11  -1  -2  +1      9
 Title  Myrmidon     Social   Respected   DEX:     18  +3  +2  +1  18/60
 HP     -2/287       Maximize         Y   CON:     14  +1  +2  +1     18
 SP     0/0                               CHR:     10  +5  -1  +0     14

 Level               27   Armor    [22,+45]     Saving Throw         66%
 Cur Exp          63587   Fight     (+8,+5)     Stealth             Good
 Max Exp          63587   Melee   (+14,+13)     Fighting          Heroic
 Adv Exp          70000   Shoot   (+15,+13)     Shooting          Heroic
 MaxDepth   1650' (L33)   Blows      3/turn     Disarming            57%
 Game Turns      563445   Shots      1/turn     Magic Device          57
 Player Turns     56137   Infra       40 ft     Perception       1 in 19
 Active Turns     53531   Speed      Normal     Searching            32%
 Gold             12912   Burden  160.3 lbs

 You are the only child of a Noldorin Archer.  You have light grey
 eyes, straight black hair, and a fair complexion.



rAcid:......+.+.... rConf:.............
rElec:......+.+.... Sound:.............
rFire:......+.+.+.. Shard:.............
rCold:......+.+.... Nexus:...........+.
rPois:...+......... Nethr:.............
rFear:............. Chaos:.............
rLite:........+...+ Disen:.............
rDark:........+.... S.Dig:.............
rBlnd:........+.... Feath:...........+.

Light:............. Aggrv:.............
Regen:..........+.. Stea.:.............
  ESP:............. Sear.:....+........
Invis:+...........+ Infra:............+
FrAct:+............ Tunn.:.............
HLife:............. Speed:.............
ImpHP:............. Blows:.............
ImpSP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.............


  [Last Messages]

> You have no more Potions of Cure Serious Wounds (d).
> Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain hits you.
> Low hitpoint warning!
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain misses you.
> Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain hits you.
> You die.

Killed by Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain.

  [Character Equipment]

a) an Awl-Pike of Westernesse (1d8) (+6,+8) (+1)
     +1 strength, dexterity, constitution.
     Slays orcs, trolls, giants.
     Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     3 blows/round.
     With an additional 5 strength and 1 dex you would get 4 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 3 dex you would get 4 blows
     Average damage/hit: 28.1 vs. orcs, 28.1 vs. trolls, 28.1 vs.
     giants, and 18.5 vs. others.
     
b) a Sling of Power (x2) (+7,+13)
c) a Ring of Strength (+2)
     +2 strength.
     Sustains strength.
     
d) a Ring of Resist Poison
     Provides resistance to poison.
     
e) an Amulet of Searching (+3)
     +15% to searching.
     
f) a Lantern (6847 turns)
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     
     Radius 2 light.
g) Leather Scale Mail of Resistance [10,+13]
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
h) a Cloak [1,-1]
i) The Leather Shield of Celegorm [4,+19]
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, light, dark, 
     blindness.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
j) a Hard Leather Cap of Wisdom [2,-2] (+1)
     +1 wisdom.
     Sustains wisdom.
     
k) The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach' [3,+12]
     Provides resistance to fire.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Speeds regeneration.  
     
     When aimed, it creates a fire bolt with damage 9d8.
     Takes 9 to 16 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 94.3%
     
l) a Pair of Leather Boots of Stability [2,+1]
     Provides resistance to nexus.
     Feather Falling.  
     


  [Character Quiver]

n) 69 Iron Shots (1d4) (+0,+4)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 100 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 39.3.
     25% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
o) (nothing)
p) (nothing)
q) (nothing)
r) (nothing)
s) (nothing)
t) (nothing)
u) (nothing)
v) (nothing)
w) (nothing)


  [Character Inventory]

a) 12 Rations of Food
     
b) 2 Flasks of oil
     Branded with flames.
     
c) 6 Potions of Cure Light Wounds
     
d) 6 Scrolls of Word of Recall
e) a Rod of Treasure Location
f) 2 Rods of Door/Stair Location
g) a Rod of Lightning Bolts
h) a Wand of Clone Monster (0 charges)
i) a Wand of Teleport Other (0 charges)
j) a Staff of Identify (0 charges)
k) a Ring of Bodykeeping
     Sustains strength, dexterity, constitution.
     
l) a Ring of See Invisible
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
m) The Iron Helm 'Holhenneth' [5,+10] (+2)
     +2 intelligence, wisdom.
     +10% to searching.
     Provides resistance to blindness, confusion.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     When activated, it detects treasure, traps, doors, stairs, and all 
     creatures nearby.
     Takes 56 to 110 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 91.9%
     
n) a Set of Leather Gloves [1,+3]
o) a Pair of Leather Boots of Stability [2,+7]
     Provides resistance to nexus.
     Feather Falling.  
     
p) The Dagger 'Nimthanc' (2d4) (+9,+12) [+10]
     Branded with frost.
     Provides resistance to cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When aimed, it creates a frost bolt with damage 6d8.
     Takes 8 to 15 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 94.3%
     
     Combat info:
     4 blows/round.
     With an additional 0 strength and 5 dex you would get 5 blows
     Average damage/hit: 32.8 vs. creatures not resistant to cold, and 
     22.5 vs. others.
     
q) a Cutlass of Frost (1d8) (+5,+6)
     Branded with frost.
     Provides resistance to cold.
     Cannot be harmed by cold.
     
     Combat info:
     3 blows/round.
     With an additional 6 strength and 0 dex you would get 4 blows
     With an additional 1 strength and 2 dex you would get 4 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 4 dex you would get 4 blows
     Average damage/hit: 25.5 vs. creatures not resistant to cold, and 
     16.1 vs. others.
     
r) a Trident of Westernesse (1d10) (+15,+2) (+1)
     +1 strength, dexterity, constitution.
     Slays orcs, trolls, giants.
     Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     4 blows/round.
     With an additional 0 strength and 4 dex you would get 5 blows
     Average damage/hit: 24.5 vs. orcs, 24.5 vs. trolls, 24.5 vs.
     giants, and 12.9 vs. others.
     
s) a Battle Axe (2d8) (+3,+3)
     Combat info:
     2 blows/round.
     With an additional 1 strength and 0 dex you would get 3 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 2 dex you would get 3 blows
     Average damage/hit: 17.9.
     


  [Home Inventory]

a) a Potion of Restore Wisdom
b) a Potion of Restore Dexterity
c) 2 Potions of Restore Constitution
d) The Set of Gauntlets 'Pauraegen' [3,+14]
     Provides resistance to lightning, light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When aimed, it creates a lightning bolt (that always beams) with d
     amage 6d6.
     Takes 7 to 12 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 94.3%
     
     Radius 1 light.
e) The Beaked Axe of Theoden (2d6) (+8,+10) (+3)
     +3 wisdom, constitution.
     Slays dragons.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Slows your metabolism.  Grants telepathy.  
     
     When aimed, it drains up to 120 hit points of life from a target c
     reature.
     Takes 40 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 91.9%
     
     Combat info:
     2 blows/round.
     With an additional 1 strength and 0 dex you would get 3 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 2 dex you would get 3 blows
     Average damage/hit: 38.6 vs. dragons, and 23.5 vs. others.
     


============================================================
                   CHAR.
|   TURN  | DEPTH |LEVEL| EVENT
============================================================
         1      0'    1   Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
      5428    100'    2   Reached level 2
      5908    100'    2   Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's dog
      5908    100'    3   Reached level 3
     13587    150'    4   Reached level 4
     21068    250'    5   Reached level 5
     32932    300'    6   Reached level 6
     36486    300'    7   Reached level 7
     45216    400'    8   Reached level 8
     51733    400'    9   Reached level 9
     58675    450'   10   Reached level 10
     61596    450'   10   Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog
     72923    450'   10   Killed Brodda, the Easterling
     72923    450'   11   Reached level 11
     72943    450'   11   Found The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach'
     76154    500'   11   Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit
     81067    550'   12   Reached level 12
    115164    600'   13   Reached level 13
    121076    600'   13   Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
    121076    600'   14   Reached level 14
    130048    800'   15   Reached level 15
    135762    800'   16   Reached level 16
    147582    900'   17   Reached level 17
    168288    950'   17   Killed Lagduf, the Snaga
    172194    950'   18   Reached level 18
    190680   1050'   19   Reached level 19
    200090   1050'   20   Reached level 20
    209257   1050'   21   Reached level 21
    216164   1050'   21   Killed Gorbag, the Orc Captain
    224724   1100'   22   Reached level 22
    268905      0'   22   Killed Farmer Maggot
    354946   1100'   22   Killed Ugluk, the Uruk
    356579   1100'   22   Killed Ufthak of Cirith Ungol
    356679   1100'   23   Reached level 23
    359012   1100'   23   Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord
    368884   1100'   24   Reached level 24
    386159   1200'   24   Killed Shagrat, the Orc Captain
    414242   1200'   25   Reached level 25
    428540   1250'   25   Found The Set of Gauntlets 'Pauraegen'
    441185   1250'   25   Killed Ulfast, Son of Ulfang
    474315   1300'   26   Reached level 26
    513967   1500'   26   Found The Beaked Axe of Theoden
    526981   1500'   26   Killed Draebor, the Imp
    527294   1500'   26   Found The Leather Shield of Celegorm
    539969   1600'   27   Reached level 27
    553987   1650'   27   Killed Uldor the Accursed
    557776   1650'   27   Found The Dagger 'Nimthanc'
    561895   1650'   27   Found The Iron Helm 'Holhenneth'


  [Options]

Maximize effect of race/class bonuses        : yes (adult_maximize)
Randomize some of the artifacts (beta)       : no  (adult_randarts)
Restrict the use of stairs/recall            : no  (adult_ironman)
Restrict the use of stores/home              : no  (adult_no_stores)
Restrict creation of artifacts               : no  (adult_no_artifacts)
Don't stack objects on the floor             : no  (adult_no_stacking)
Lose artifacts when leaving level            : no  (adult_no_preserve)
Don't generate connected stairs              : no  (adult_no_stairs)
Adult: Monsters chase current location       : yes (adult_ai_sound)
Adult: Monsters chase recent locations       : yes (adult_ai_smell)
Adult: Monsters act smarter in groups        : yes (adult_ai_packs)
Adult: Monsters learn from their mistakes    : no  (adult_ai_learn)
Adult: Monsters exploit players weaknesses   : no  (adult_ai_cheat)
Adult: Monsters behave more intelligently (broken): no  (adult_ai_smart)
Score: Peek into object creation             : no  (score_peek)
Score: Peek into monster creation            : no  (score_hear)
Score: Peek into dungeon creation            : no  (score_room)
Score: Peek into something else              : no  (score_xtra)
Score: Know complete monster info            : no  (score_know)
Score: Allow player to avoid death           : no  (score_live)

now i really wont melee charge drain or disenchant people eek~!~!~~

[Timo Pietilä]

i got to dlvl 33 and there was a pit of good things, a grought (??) was near.. i meleed it...... eek.. the big ogre came out of the place and started raging me, all my charges of goodness had been eaten hoooooo... i had no way i to escape i think... heres my char eee..

No you didn't. And the lesson to learn from that is?

[dos350]

keep track of wat gets drained and destroyed~!~!~

[buzzkill]

Always have an escape handy. When you're out of escapes, you're pretty much dead. The dungeon isn't a level playing field. The monsters are generally more powerful than you and there are more of them. After a certain depth, teleport level and/or destruct are mandatory equipment. This coming from a guy who doesn't like to run from a fight.

[Timo Pietilä]

keep track of wat gets drained and destroyed~!~!~

No, that's not it. What did you need and what didn't you have? What's in the shops that could have saved you?

[dos350]

scroll of teleport, scroll of deep descent or tele level, scroll of recharge, staff of teleport, wand of teleport other... all those would have saved me imo.. i had some of those and they were destroyed in the battle just before the ogre came eek

[Timo Pietilä]

scroll of teleport, scroll of deep descent or tele level, scroll of recharge, staff of teleport, wand of teleport other... all those would have saved me imo.. i had some of those and they were destroyed in the battle just before the ogre came eek

Still missing the obvious one. Take a peek at ladder. What is common inventory item in almost all of those chardumps?

[dos350]

eeeeeeeeek please tell me wat??!~ i looked at the ladder warriors and i couldnt see anything... unless it was phase door, i ran out of those~ i used about 5 but it couldnt get me away from ogre~~!!~

[Timo Pietilä]

eeeeeeeeek please tell me wat??!~ i looked at the ladder warriors and i couldnt see anything... unless it was phase door, i ran out of those~ i used about 5 but it couldnt get me away from ogre~~!!~

You got it. Phase door. Carry at least 20 with you. If you can't fight, run.

[PowerDiver]

IMO phase door is more of an attack spell than an escape spell. You use it for escape when there is no alternative, but it does not always work. At his depth, a staff of teleportation [preferably two] is mandatory IMO.

If you are going to try to escape with phase, try to get to a place such as in a corridor with a nearby room that the corridor does not reach.

One of the skills to be learned is in what order to explore rooms so that you can use what you have to escape when necessary.