What to do

[Adley]

Yeah, but it's only a min 1... and the dex is enough for sting to give me another last hit... the 8th.

[Adley]

Replaced by a pair of +10 speed boots
Question : when i have 18/*** in a stat, it's at it's max maximum, as in, can't be improved through equipment further?

[camlost]

Replaced by a pair of +10 speed boots
Question : when i have 18/*** in a stat, it's at it's max maximum, as in, can't be improved through equipment further?

18/*** (aka 18/220) is the maximum use you can get out of a stat. However, if your stat is drained, having extra can come in handy.

[Timo Pietilä]

Question : when i have 18/*** in a stat, it's at it's max maximum, as in, can't be improved through equipment further?

Yes. Stat itself gets increased in the background so you have safety-buffer for stat-drains, but 18/220 is max for effects and it is shown as 18/***. That is actually 18+22 = 40 for all purposes, so I suggest that we lose the "18/xxx" marking and switch to double-digit for stats. That last x in xxx does nothing.

[PowerDiver]

18/*** (aka 18/220) is the maximum use you can get out of a stat. However, if your stat is drained, having extra can come in handy.

Why do people prefer the ***? I liked it better before, when you could see at a glance how much buffer you have with respect to 18/200.

[Derakon]

The *** (which, IIRC, has always been in as a representation of 18/220) is mostly useful to indicate "anything more would be wasted".

[Timo Pietilä]

The *** (which, IIRC, has always been in as a representation of 18/220) is mostly useful to indicate "anything more would be wasted".

Not always, there was a period when actual bonus was shown instead of max benefit.

[Timo Pietilä]

Why do people prefer the ***? I liked it better before, when you could see at a glance how much buffer you have with respect to 18/200.

18/220. That's the limit. Those last two points have a meaning. Sometimes a big meaning, like with STR, where those two last points give you +4 damage, making gauntlets of Power +5 sometimes better than Cambeleg and Fingolfin (thought even with (+5,+5) (+5) it loses to Fingolfin +10 to_hit by two points at best case scenario).

[PowerDiver]

18/220. That's the limit. Those last two points have a meaning. Sometimes a big meaning, like with STR, where those two last points give you +4 damage, making gauntlets of Power +5 sometimes better than Cambeleg and Fingolfin (thought even with (+5,+5) (+5) it loses to Fingolfin +10 to_hit by two points at best case scenario).

That's a tiny difference.

The difference between 18/220 STR and 18/200 STR is at least an order of magnitude less than the difference between 18/200 and 18/190 for a pure spellcaster's spellstat. It is generally much less than the difference between 18/200 CON and 18/190, but for some classes with MoD it might make a difference in #blows. It is usually much less than the difference in a relevant point of DEX.

The reason I care is about figuring out how to swap items to rekit. If it says 18/*** I don't know whether I can switch items losing +3 in the process without adding up the plusses to figure out what the precise number is.

I really hate the *** thing.

[Magnate]

That's a tiny difference.

The difference between 18/220 STR and 18/200 STR is at least an order of magnitude less than the difference between 18/200 and 18/190 for a pure spellcaster's spellstat. It is generally much less than the difference between 18/200 CON and 18/190, but for some classes with MoD it might make a difference in #blows. It is usually much less than the difference in a relevant point of DEX.

The reason I care is about figuring out how to swap items to rekit. If it says 18/*** I don't know whether I can switch items losing +3 in the process without adding up the plusses to figure out what the precise number is.

I really hate the *** thing.

So listen, when are you going to get an account on github and start sending me pull requests?

Seriously - there are way more good ideas on Oook than people to code them, so the more people who do that, the better (all hail Ewert, Who Was First). And the danger of giving you svn access no longer exists: you can be as radical as you like, and we can pick and choose which commits to merge ...

[PowerDiver]

So listen, when are you going to get an account on github and start sending me pull requests?

I'm finally getting somewhere with my no ego attempts. I'll probably to it after that.

At the moment, I am thinking about things no one else cares about, so my first changes may seem rather stran

[edit] But I wouldn't put in code reverting ***. I complained when it was discussed, opinion was for it, and I just gotta move on. However, that won't stop me from complaining now and then.

[Derakon]

Hm, this should work: once a stat reaches 18/220, change the display of its name. E.g. "STR" in white becomes "*STR*" in green. That should provide a visual indication that some kind of threshold has been reached without blanking out how much of an overachievement the stat is. It should also be pretty easy to implement; maybe I should install Git on this computer...

[Adley]

Is it me, or do giants not throw their boulders in each other's face anymore?

[Timo Pietilä]

Hm, this should work: once a stat reaches 18/220, change the display of its name. E.g. "STR" in white becomes "*STR*" in green.

It already does change from "STR" to "STR!" It goes from "STR" to "Str" and "STR!" to "Str!" when drained. Maybe if you add color like you said: Green for maxed, plain white while normal and yellow when drained.

[Timo Pietilä]

Is it me, or do giants not throw their boulders in each other's face anymore?

They don't. Same with orcs. No more shooting unless they can hit you.