lvl 50 gnome warrior, what's next?

[Timo Pietilä]

The real problem is that, at the end, everybody has essentially the same stats. Now if an endgame mage had a maximum of STR 18/100 things could be different. It might be enough to extend the stat tables to 18/300 since warriors could get there and maybe mages couldn't. Either approach is a massive amount of work.

That sounds to me more a variant than vanilla. IMO there's nothing wrong that every char has similar stats at the end because their gear is different because of the differences between chars. There are differences. Just not after you count CB+RB+EB.

If you want more differences go back a few iterations of the game and remove some of the added bonuses items have. With current set of artifacts it is easy task to make everyone essentially warrior at the end of the game.

[fizzix]

One problem is, e.g., that the current system mean that mages prefer heavy weapons and warriors prefer light weapons. That is true at the start for mace vs dagger and tru at the end for MoD vs BoC.

The real problem is that, at the end, everybody has essentially the same stats. Now if an endgame mage had a maximum of STR 18/100 things could be different. It might be enough to extend the stat tables to 18/300 since warriors could get there and maybe mages couldn't. Either approach is a massive amount of work.

Look at the end of http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthr...ght=sqrt+blows for my formula.

I looked at your formula for a bit, and it seems impossible to get 6 blows per round.

Maybe instead of.

#blows = min { (5 + (STR^2)/40)/(3 + \sqrt(weapon weight in lbs))), (1 + (DEX/10)) }

with +20% bonus for warriors
we should use:

#blows = min { (5 + (STR^2)/40)/(3 + \sqrt(weapon weight in lbs))), (CB+ (DEX/10)) }

where CB = 2 for warriors, 1 for rogues, rangers, paladins, and 0 for mages priests.

Unfortunately, this really hurts priests in the early game because they tend to have low dex, so you could replace the (CB + DEX/10) with max{ (CB + DEX/10),1} so in the early game they're limited from getting one blow only by their strength.

Should this be in a new thread?

[Derakon]

That sounds to me more a variant than vanilla. IMO there's nothing wrong that every char has similar stats at the end because their gear is different because of the differences between chars. There are differences. Just not after you count CB+RB+EB.

If you want more differences go back a few iterations of the game and remove some of the added bonuses items have. With current set of artifacts it is easy task to make everyone essentially warrior at the end of the game.

I don't think I'd place the blame on the extra equipment bonuses that have been added recently. I'm quite sure I remember hearing about mages taking on Morgoth in melee (successfully!) in the period between the removal of GoI and the addition of the new items.

[Timo Pietilä]

I don't think I'd place the blame on the extra equipment bonuses that have been added recently. I'm quite sure I remember hearing about mages taking on Morgoth in melee (successfully!) in the period between the removal of GoI and the addition of the new items.

Yes it was possible. I have beaten Balrog of Moria with my bow. In melee.

Point was that they didn't have same set of stats back then. Not unless you played a long time to get all übergear artifacts there were.

If you want to get mage being unable to use melee then this is even more a point for variant, not a vanilla.

[Derakon]

Yes it was possible. I have beaten Balrog of Moria with my bow. In melee.

Do you mean to say that you beat the Balrog to death by whacking it in the face with Cubragol? Because that would predate the addition of the launcher slot, which IIRC was added in the 2.7 days, before GoI went kaput...

[Timo Pietilä]

Do you mean to say that you beat the Balrog to death by whacking it in the face with Cubragol? Because that would predate the addition of the launcher slot, which IIRC was added in the 2.7 days, before GoI went kaput...

Yes, not with Cubragol though. And not with GoI.