uhoh... trouble looms

[Timo Pietilä]

*sigh* trouble loomed, in the shape of a pack of summoned chaos hounds in a checkerboard pit. I did kill quite a number, but when it was getting too dangerous I teleported out and straight into a pack of nether hounds. You die.

A hint: When in vault any teleport puts you out of that vault, including phase door. To get out of LoS of monster in GV that is usually a safe choice.

[fyonn]

A hint: When in vault any teleport puts you out of that vault, including phase door. To get out of LoS of monster in GV that is usually a safe choice.

it wasn't a vault (and certainly not a GCV, not seen one of those in 15 years). it was a pit (ie like an orc pit with a moat) but the inside was checkered with a few traps and items scattered around. not sure what it's called but I see them all the time.

dave

[Timo Pietilä]

it wasn't a vault (and certainly not a GCV, not seen one of those in 15 years). it was a pit (ie like an orc pit with a moat) but the inside was checkered with a few traps and items scattered around. not sure what it's called but I see them all the time.

dave

My bad. Just read "checkerboard" and didn't actually pay attention of the following word.

I don't know if those have any official names, but they are called "unusual rooms". The one with four rooms and doors, that checkered one, the one with two small room in middle etc. all have same outside shape as pits. I think all vanilla "unusual rooms" are like that.

[fizzix]

it wasn't a vault (and certainly not a GCV, not seen one of those in 15 years). it was a pit (ie like an orc pit with a moat) but the inside was checkered with a few traps and items scattered around. not sure what it's called but I see them all the time.

dave

I've heard the word 'treasure room' used for that type of room before. I think it comes from an older roguelike. Treasure room is a bit of a misnomer because there's rarely anything good inside it.

[Timo Pietilä]

My bad. Just read "checkerboard" and didn't actually pay attention of the following word.

I don't know if those have any official names, but they are called "unusual rooms". The one with four rooms and doors, that checkered one, the one with two small room in middle etc. all have same outside shape as pits. I think all vanilla "unusual rooms" are like that.

That reminds me: I think some of those "unusual rooms" are like miniature vaults because I think at least that four room version has increased possibility to create both OoD items and monsters. However those are not in any of the edit-files. Maybe they should.

Actually I think we need some vault type between LV and GV. I remember when there was a bug in vaults.txt and CrownGV was accidentally marked as LV. Those were common then, but not overly so (it contains only 8 positions that are better than ordinary LV has, but those 8 were very good indeed). I was having fun luring way too OoD monsters out of the vault to get to the goods inside.

Maybe also something between

"8 - monster up to 40 levels OOD and treasure up to 20 levels OOD" (item is guaranteed excellent)
and
"9 - monster up to 9 levels OOD and treasure up to 7 levels OOD" (IIRC no guarantee that item is even good, if there is then item is almost certainly boring)

How about "item 15 levels OOD and monster 20 levels OOD"?

Rework a bit those vaults. GV:s are usually quite boring barring few exceptionally good ones, and lesser vaults are too commonplace to be anything special. DLV:s are actually in many cases better than most GV:s for loot.