excessive store prices

[PowerDiver]

Every so often, the prices charged in a store will become astronomical, e.g. 50K for a ring of str+2. I recently noticed it again in the black market, and this time the first few items were correctly priced and then the rest were very high. Save and reload and it goes away, so it is hard to debug.

Has anyone else seen this? If so, windows or linux or other?

[Magnate]

Every so often, the prices charged in a store will become astronomical, e.g. 50K for a ring of str+2. I recently noticed it again in the black market, and this time the first few items were correctly priced and then the rest were very high. Save and reload and it goes away, so it is hard to debug.

Has anyone else seen this? If so, windows or linux or other?

Never seen this - is this r1971? Very interesting bug.

[PowerDiver]

Never seen this - is this r1971? Very interesting bug.

Yes, it happened most recently in r1971.

It goes back in time at least to whenever I did the change to the num_blows code to go to the full limits of the tables. At first I thought I introduced the bug, but I saw it again back then without my mods, so it has been around for some time.

[d_m]

Hmmm... I wonder what in-memory structures related to object pricing could be getting modified incorrectly. Magnate, do you have any ideas?

[Magnate]

Hmmm... I wonder what in-memory structures related to object pricing could be getting modified incorrectly. Magnate, do you have any ideas?

The function in question is object_value_real(), but it's been stable for a good while now. Do we know if the problem is the actual price or the displayed price? If you have enough money to buy one of these stupidly overpriced items, do you actually spend the displayed amount, or not?

[PowerDiver]

The function in question is object_value_real(), but it's been stable for a good while now. Do we know if the problem is the actual price or the displayed price? If you have enough money to buy one of these stupidly overpriced items, do you actually spend the displayed amount, or not?

I think I did that once, but I can't be 100% sure. I think the message told me I paid the high amount, and that's what made me notice, but I didn't check how much my gold decreased. I'll try it the next time I see it.

There is something a little funky about my system. Configure never worked entirely properly for example. I wonder if this is another problem that only affects me. Or maybe it is my playstyle and has something to do with lots of wielded unided stuff or something.

[Magnate]

I think I did that once, but I can't be 100% sure. I think the message told me I paid the high amount, and that's what made me notice, but I didn't check how much my gold decreased. I'll try it the next time I see it.

There is something a little funky about my system. Configure never worked entirely properly for example. I wonder if this is another problem that only affects me. Or maybe it is my playstyle and has something to do with lots of wielded unided stuff or something.

Ah. It could be a bitflag-rewrite bug with not-fully-known items. Can you narrow it down to see if it affects fully-known items?

[PowerDiver]

Ah. It could be a bitflag-rewrite bug with not-fully-known items. Can you narrow it down to see if it affects fully-known items?

I don't see it that often, and it doesn't survive save-and-reload, so I don't even know what I should do to try to test that.

[Timo Pietilä]

I don't see it that often, and it doesn't survive save-and-reload, so I don't even know what I should do to try to test that.

I have also noticed some odd behavior, but not only in prices. There have been cases where when I put on gear to test it, sometimes some of my stats (HP, mana, AC, stuff like that) do not get constant change, but it's very hard to reproduce and effect has been very minimal. So small that I'm not sure I'm not just imagining things.

There is something weird in RNG of the game, something has been changed so that whole feeling of the game has changed. Items that should be common (like Rings of Resist Poison) do not get created etc. Something very deep in game structure that is hard to pinpoint.

[PowerDiver]

There is something weird in RNG of the game, something has been changed so that whole feeling of the game has changed. Items that should be common (like Rings of Resist Poison) do not get created etc. Something very deep in game structure that is hard to pinpoint.

That is just the attack on drops combined with the effects of DROP_GOOD. Very few jewelry items are dropped now compared to 3.0. I have had multiple chars otherwise ready for M except needing to scum for an amulet of trickery. I may revert to cloning death quasits even though it feels like cheating.

[Timo Pietilä]

That is just the attack on drops combined with the effects of DROP_GOOD. Very few jewelry items are dropped now compared to 3.0. I have had multiple chars otherwise ready for M except needing to scum for an amulet of trickery. I may revert to cloning death quasits even though it feels like cheating.

Isn't Amulet of Trickery counted as good drop? That one gives speed bonus, resist poison and nexus and increases your DEX, infravision and stealth. Definitely one of the best amulets, if not the best amulet into game.

[PowerDiver]

Isn't Amulet of Trickery counted as good drop? That one gives speed bonus, resist poison and nexus and increases your DEX, infravision and stealth. Definitely one of the best amulets, if not the best amulet into game.

I don't know. Perhaps it drops in DROP_GOOD, but that occurs not as often as it used to drop from other monsters. What I do know is that in 3.0 I would find it well before I killed Sauron. Now Sauron is a pushover I would guess half the time before I find it.

Elessar and Carlammas and Dwarves are pretty close in power if you do not need sustain dex. It doesn't really compare to an above-average randart amulet. That's another reason randarts are overpowered. They do not respect that certain slots are weaker than other slots.

[Magnate]

Elessar and Carlammas and Dwarves are pretty close in power if you do not need sustain dex. It doesn't really compare to an above-average randart amulet. That's another reason randarts are overpowered. They do not respect that certain slots are weaker than other slots.

IMO we just need more amulet types.

[Derakon]

Which will, of course, make the game easier.

We need to start coming up with ways to make the game harder, too...

[fyonn]

We need to start coming up with ways to make the game harder, too...

well, I did suggest making priests suffer the pointy penalty from using bows and xbows, and perhaps increasing that penalty. make 'em use slings.

I know the blunt thing might not make sense, but surely it makes less sense to penalise pointy hand weapons but allow pointy missiles. we should be consistent at least.

dave