ToME forever: Announcing ToME4 beta !

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  • DarkGod
    T.o.M.E. maintainer
    • Apr 2007
    • 130

    ToME forever: Announcing ToME4 beta !

    The board is set, the pieces are moving.

    For many years people have patiently waited for ToME3 to be released, for many years I have tried. But I always burned out of developing it too fast. It was a pile of old crappy code I could not stand working on anymore...

    So one day I set out on a new venture, to rewrite it all from scratch, to forget code I could not bear using anymore and to focus on a new engine, and a new game. This was about six months ago, and now after 20 private alpha versions I am ready to unleash the Tales of Middle-Earth: The Fourth Age and T-Engine4 onto the world!

    T-Engine 4

    This is the “spiritual” successor of T-Engine 3, the basic idea is the same: to make a roguelike game engine that allows the game maker to focus on making a game, not on handling the trivialities of coding.

    Being the lua fanatic I am the engine obviously uses it, and much more than in T-Engine2/3. There is a very small C core that is mostly unaware of any high level designs, it simply provides access to graphics, sounds, input, …

    T-Engine4 can handle many things and is meant to be easily extended. Its lua core is documented and based on a simple OO design, leveraging the full power of Lua.

    A list of features can be found at http://te4.org/ but the most important ones are:

    * single unified UI using OpenGL on all platforms
    * support for many roguelike concepts from scratch without imposing limits on what can be done with them
    * easy input (keyboard & mouse) support
    * generic save/load code using serialization, simple objects do not even need to be aware of it, it works auto-magically
    * support for both graphical mode and traditional ASCII, potentially at the same time
    * many other things, checkout the site and try it

    Tales of Middle-Earth: The Fourth Age

    Because an engine is nothing without a game (and because I wanted to make a game), I developed ToME4 at the same time.

    As I developed ToME3 I was starting to feel restricted by the theme I had setup for myself, that of the quests for the ring in the third age. Do not get me wrong, I love the setting but it felt to me like I was meant to follow a pre-existing story and had little room for improvements, all I could do was bastardise it.

    So I took a hard, but IMO needed, decision for ToME4 and scrapped that altogether. It is based one hundred and twenty two years after the fall of Sauron, in a world that is in relative peace under the guidance the High Kings of the Reunited Kingdom (Gondor and Arnor). The player is not “the chosen one” that goes on to save the world from level 1 but instead a simple adventurer, out for glory and treasures. While there is a grand-evil-that-must-be-stopped it is revealed slowly as part of the player leveling up and should feel much less intimidating.

    The biggest gameplay change is probably the switch to a new stats&skills system. The primary stats are now Strength, Dexterity, Magic, Willpower, Cunning and Constitution (with a hidden Luck stat) and the skill system has been changed to follow a “standard” pattern for most skills. They are now called talents and usually have 5 levels. All talents are organised in talent types, usually 4 talents per type.

    This forces to have some interesting designs for each classes, melee classes have gained a lot from it and now have many combat techniques they can use.

    Some races, classes and other “things” also need unlocking before they can be used. Fear not, the mage class for example is indeed in the game but requires unlocking to be available, as are others. There is mainly two reasons for this design:

    * it allows to not overwhelm a new player with too many unknown choices at birth
    * it allows to give “rewards” without winning the game

    At the start the player can be a human, dwarf, elf or hobbit and either a warrior, rogue or archer (with subclasses for each).

    ToME4 (and T-Engine4) are meant to be enjoyable by anybody, as such there is no hidden “macro”, or tons of useless and cryptic options. Key-bindings and graphical modes are set-able in game with the main menu (available by pressing Escape from the game). Mouse support is available in most dialogs, it can even be used to activate talents.

    Both ToME4 and T-Engine4 are now in public beta, meaning they are usable but not done. T-Engine4 is mostly good and I did not modify it much for some weeks now, except to add some new independent features (like new map generators). ToME4 story is fully planned in my head and was meant to be split in two half. The first half is done and playable (and such the game is currently winnable), the second half will be implemented during beta.

    A new subforum has been setup on the tome forums for ToME4 as well as a
    blog at http://blog.te4.org/ where I will post updates.

    Lastly I want to present my excuses to all the people who waited for so
    long without news, I tried to come back many times but never could. And
    when I started TE4 I did not want to announce it for fear of losing
    steam again, but now that beta is reached I do not fear anymore!

    Now go to http://tome.te4.org or http://te4.org and download it!
  • ekolis
    Knight
    • Apr 2007
    • 921

    #2
    Holy crapola, this is not an April Fools joke a month too late?!? This is like up there with "JADE finally released" in terms of total awesomeness... and this actually HAPPENED!

    Pray tell that you used a real version of Lua, though, not a heavily hacked one for which there's no syntax highlighting support in any editor I've heard of? I've always wanted to do a module for T3, but the wacky Lua stuff always threw me off because nothing I could find in a tutorial on the language actually WORKED! :P

    edit: Any reason 2-letter character names are not allowed? "Ed" sounds perfectly fine to me
    You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI...
    You are surrounded by a stasis field!
    The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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    • DarkGod
      T.o.M.E. maintainer
      • Apr 2007
      • 130

      #3
      Lol thanks

      Yes I am using either plain Lua 5.1(the normal VM or LuaJIT 1.1 (for the binary 32bit compiles) ) with no changed syntax.

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      • DarkGod
        T.o.M.E. maintainer
        • Apr 2007
        • 130

        #4
        Ah yes I suppose I could reduce cahr name minimun to 2 ...

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        • ekolis
          Knight
          • Apr 2007
          • 921

          #5
          Weeeee

          Any reason I can't use the keyboard to select a race? The keyboard works fine later in the character creation process...

          edit: Is there a "view map" command?
          Last edited by ekolis; May 11, 2010, 16:50.
          You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI...
          You are surrounded by a stasis field!
          The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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          • DarkGod
            T.o.M.E. maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 130

            #6
            No not really, race selection uses the very exact same code as the rest. Mhh...

            There is currently no view map command (I'll probably add one that displays the map as 1 grid for 1 pixel thing), but you can scroll the map with left-mouse drag.

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            • Tatami
              Apprentice
              • Oct 2009
              • 59

              #7
              I knew checking oook everday would payoff. I just hope my gpa holds up.

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              • Therem Harth
                Knight
                • Jan 2008
                • 926

                #8
                Wooo awesome! Way to...

                Oh wait a minute...

                * single unified UI using OpenGL on all platforms
                You're kidding aren't you.

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                • Derakon
                  Prophet
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 9022

                  #9
                  What's wrong with OpenGL? What would you have him use instead? SDL doesn't support multiple windows (a must for Angband variants), DirectX is Windows-only, and curses is rather limited in what it can do.

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                  • Therem Harth
                    Knight
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 926

                    #10
                    Okay, you got me - I don't know what the alternatives would be. It just seems to me that using OpenGL and therefore requiring a modern graphics card is absolutely insane overkill for a 2D game.

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                    • Derakon
                      Prophet
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9022

                      #11
                      It's all in what you do with it. It's not like ToME is going to be trying to push millions of polygons every frame or anything. Bottom line is, you have to use something to draw to the screen. Your modern options are basically OpenGL, SDL, and DirectX. Presence of one of those does not imply that the game requires any significant amount of hardware to run. OpenGL's original incarnation came out in 1992. I guarantee you don't have a computer that could run ToME 2.3 but can't run ToME 4 because its hardware isn't strong enough.

                      I rather suspect (not that I've looked at DarkGod's drawing code) that he just stuck each character on its own textured quad, so instead of drawing characters at each tile, you draw the quads instead. This is dirt-cheap; you could do it on a Playstation 1, trivially. It also gains you some neat things like transparency (which could allow for better-looking fluid flows, layering traps and items, and so on), arbitrary scaling, non-tiled animations, and so on.

                      More importantly, though, OpenGL's more flexible than a strict tile-based approach. Things you just can't do with Angband's drawing system are trivial with OpenGL. Want a first-person dungeon? Tie the camera to the player's position, replace the flat textured quads with three-dimensional versions, and you're done. Bam.

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                      • Therem Harth
                        Knight
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 926

                        #12
                        Well, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. But I have to say, it is *slow* with the nv driver on Slackware 13. Even though it's not doing anything 3D really, it seems to exact too much of a toll for software acceleration to be any good,

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                        • flechette
                          Scout
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 40

                          #13
                          Edit: Woo! Download works again!
                          Last edited by flechette; May 12, 2010, 01:10.

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                          • Arendil
                            Apprentice
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 78

                            #14
                            Well, ToME turned into an abomination lately, let's hope this version will be better.

                            Few thoughts:
                            1) Can't turn off music. Which is as bad as its quality...

                            2) No idea how to disarm traps.

                            3) Game uses roughly 50-60% of my dual core processor...hmm...

                            4) It's SLOW.

                            5) No mana regeneration? Ugh...

                            6) Minor. Long messages appearing on the top are cut off.

                            On the good side:
                            1) Targetting, and quick key system is incredible.

                            2) Flying damage numbers and various info. I feel like playing a MMORPG or something alike, but still it's excellent.

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                            • Tatami
                              Apprentice
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 59

                              #15
                              On #5 are you playing a race that doesnt regenerate mana?

                              Feels like a beta, but tis' seems a huge timesuck in the horizon..

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