Object stacking "bug"

[fph]

I am playing build ga914ed2, with pack size reduced to 25.

I picked up 3 !CLW while I had 23 other in my inventory. Now they show up separately as 23 !CLW in one stack and 3 in another. OTOH, when I do the same with the arrows in the quiver, then the first stack gets maxed up to 25 and then the remaining arrows "overflow" to the next stack. This seems inconsistent, and the proper behaviour should be the one implemented in the quiver (25+1 rather than 23+3).

btw, I like pack_size=25 for now, even though I haven't been shooting much with this character.

[fph]

And another related oddity: when I have 23 !CLW in one pack and there's 3 on the floor and my inventory is full, I cannot pick only two of them up. Some inventory juggling is needed to obtain the proper result.

[d_m]

And another related oddity: when I have 23 !CLW in one pack and there's 3 on the floor and my inventory is full, I cannot pick only two of them up. Some inventory juggling is needed to obtain the proper result.

Good call.

I wrote some special quiver-spillover code that will probably need to be generalized for this to work.

[Nomad]

Currently playing g74b42d1, and discovered a some weirdness with the new stack size limits when buying in the town. I bought 30 enchanted arrows from a shop, and they entered my inventory as a stack of 30. I equipped them to the quiver, and on the 'e' screen they were shown as a stack of 30 in one slot, although the 'i' screen had the correct behaviour, showing two "in Quiver" lines with 25 and 5.

I was able to drop the full 30 stack and pick it up again without it splitting, though when I dropped 10 of the arrows and then picked those up, the arrows didn't recombine but stayed split into two stacks of 20/10.

Possibly the simplest answer to this is just that shops shouldn't be selling ammo in stacks of >25 in the first place? I see that the standard stocks of average ammo have been reduced from 99 to 25, but it looks like the random stacks of enchanted ammo sometimes sold may have escaped via a loophole.

Iron spikes are also currently stocked in stacks higher than 25. Just got some further interesting behaviour checking the problem with the arrows could be reproduced: the shop had 60 spikes, I bought 30 of them (and did indeed get them as a stack of 30). Then I sold them back, and the shop's remaining stock suddenly went down to 25. (The other 5 and the 30 I sold back all disappeared rather than showing up as another stack in the shop inventory.) So that maximum must be set somewhere, but something's gone a little bit wonky.

[d_m]

Was this a new game, or a saved game?

The game should no longer be generating stacks of more than 25 for sale, but old stacks might still be hanging around.

If you started a new game with the 25 limit and still saw a stack of 30 then this is a bug.

[Nomad]

Was this a new game, or a saved game?

The game should no longer be generating stacks of more than 25 for sale, but old stacks might still be hanging around.

If you started a new game with the 25 limit and still saw a stack of 30 then this is a bug.

It was a brand new game started from scratch in g74b42d1. I've played three or four games in that version now, and it seems like everything appears in stacks of 25 or less except for iron spikes and sometimes ammo at the weaponsmith.

[d_m]

It was a brand new game started from scratch in g74b42d1. I've played three or four games in that version now, and it seems like everything appears in stacks of 25 or less except for iron spikes and sometimes ammo at the weaponsmith.

Huh, weird. Thanks for the report!

I will try to replicate and fix this. I'm assuming it's legit, but if anyone else has seen this I'd love confirmation that it's still an issue.

[dos350]

these new stack limits suck so much why do this 2 angband ?~ please no rage

[bulian]

I'll trust the older players this change is good to limit power of ranged attacks, but I'm concerned about limited capacity for consumables in ironman games. Has anyone played ironman with the reduced stack sizes?

Being able to carry only 25 (or 40) CCW might be risky at best, and devoting a second (or third) slot might be challenging given the inventory constraints. Apologies if this has already been discussed.

The comp 107 winners (ironman warrior) had 0 and 31 CCW potions in inventory, though Ewan said he stashed a bunch. My winner (http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=11781) had 22. Likely the numbers going into the final fight were all higher than 25.

[Magnate]

I'll trust the older players this change is good to limit power of ranged attacks, but I'm concerned about limited capacity for consumables in ironman games. Has anyone played ironman with the reduced stack sizes?

Being able to carry only 25 (or 40) CCW might be risky at best, and devoting a second (or third) slot might be challenging given the inventory constraints. Apologies if this has already been discussed.

The comp 107 winners (ironman warrior) had 0 and 31 CCW potions in inventory, though Ewan said he stashed a bunch. My winner (http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=11781) had 22. Likely the numbers going into the final fight were all higher than 25.

There's nothing stopping you carrying more than one stack ...

[bulian]

There's nothing stopping you carrying more than one stack ...

I think I mentioned that in my original post, so I'll interpret the response as "play, find out, and report back whether there is an issue."

It may take some time but I will play, find out, and report back, likely with a rogue. I have a feeling the late game will be particularly challenging given the other nerf to CCW from proportional to fixed healing.

[Derakon]

I have a feeling the late game will be particularly challenging given the other nerf to CCW from proportional to fixed healing.

The current flat 60HP heal is still miles better than the CCW of the old days which was, IIRC, an 8d8 heal.

[dos350]

theres nothing stopping u from leaving the game 2 b good and not ruining it with every idea u think u have,

dont bother~

even talking about pathetic changes like this 2 make game difficult (which it wont) it will just make it annoying 2 play and i will go all the way back 2 3.12v2,, i hope eeryone else does 2 unlesse ur attitude of angband changes, and i mean u devs!!!

please no rage

[Nick]

even talking about pathetic changes like this 2 make game difficult (which it wont) it will just make it annoying 2 play and i will go all the way back 2 3.12v2,, i hope eeryone else does 2 unlesse ur attitude of angband changes, and i mean u devs!!!

I bet they're quaking in their boots

[Magnate]

I bet they're quaking in their boots

It's particularly amusing that dos threatens to go back to a version which most other people who dislike current development consider far inferior to 3.0.x