Vanilla Patch - changing Angels to Ainu/Maia

[Therem Harth]

Okay, here we go... These aren't much better, but I think they have a little more pizzazz.

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Ainu:
One of the first children of Eru, human-like in form but painfully beautiful to look upon. You can think of no reason that a servant of Eru might face you in combat; yet this one stands before you, and its eyes are ablaze as it prepares its next volley of spells.

Maia:
One of the first children of Eru. Its body shines with glorious light, but its face is stern as it looks down at you.

Greater Maia:
One of the first children of Eru, human-like in form but god-like in power. The dungeon shakes with each of its delicate steps.

[Note: with the Blue Wizards, I'm taking some "artistic" license; I figure Alatar and Pallandro "fell" a la certain Biblical angels, and so had a line of descendents. Tolkien would probably hate this, but he'd also hate Angband in general, so whatever.]

Blue Wizard
Direct descendents of the Istari Alatar and Pallandro, the Blue Wizards have passed their forefathers' knowledge down through the generations, and have lost little of it. They are formidable opponents, and rumor has it that they still have some friends in high places...

[Here I'm assuming Istari are male, but a female variant would be cool for flavor.]

Istar
A weathered-looking traveler, wearing a cloak that has seen better days, and holding a plain walking stick in one hand. He appears to be traveling alone.

[Tolkien mentioned Arien forsaking her material form...]

Arien, Maia of the Sun
The Maia who sails the Sun across the sky has descended into Angband to kill you. She wears no mortal shell; her body is made of fiery golden light, painfully bright even when you close your eyes, and hot enough to melt armor and flesh alike.

[Here I'm assuming Osse looks much like his boss.]

Osse, Herald of Ulmo
Encrusted with barnacles, slimy and dripping, the Maia of sea storms has dragged himself down into Angband to bring you to a watery grave. Terror grows in your heart with each squelching step of his approach.

Radagast the Brown
A stocky, smiling man in brown robes, holding in his right hand a gnarled walking stick. A moth of some kind is perched on his shoulder. If you didn't know better, you'd think it was talking to him...

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That's it for now, hope those were decent. If you guys want any more I should be able to supply them.

[Therem Harth]

Groovy. I'll see what I can come up with.

[d_m]

I hate to say it, but is it just me or are those new descriptions rather bland?

(Or maybe it's just that the angel descriptions were very un-bland.)

Patches welcome

[Therem Harth]

I hate to say it, but is it just me or are those new descriptions rather bland?

(Or maybe it's just that the angel descriptions were very un-bland.)

[takkaria]

I third that one. White Knight would be perfect.

Would someone like to put together a monster.txt file entry for that?

[Magnate]

The list of remaining NPC's to paint is getting smaller and smaller, are the replacements still up for discussion?

They've been done - the changes are here.

[Shockbolt]

The list of remaining NPC's to paint is getting smaller and smaller, are the replacements still up for discussion?

[Shockbolt]

It's not entirely up to me, I merely suggested it, but I feel it would be more "true to tolkien" if those were replaced with something else

why change it lol, nn 4 athiest band or crying, nn 4 crying 2 tolkien either,

not 2 dis u or anything sorry but its good as it is!

[Timo Pietilä]

I second that suggestion for the Templar Knight replacement.

I third that one. White Knight would be perfect.

[Shockbolt]

I second that suggestion for the Templar Knight replacement.

I think he just means "don't make changes!"

Maybe just change the name and description of Knight Templar to something like "White Knight". In Numenor they had a shrine to Eru so you could come up with some kind of numenorean knighthood (maybe a faction of the Rangers, though 'ranger' is already taken in Angband).

[EpicMan]

I think he just means "don't make changes!"

Maybe just change the name and description of Knight Templar to something like "White Knight". In Numenor they had a shrine to Eru so you could come up with some kind of numenorean knighthood (maybe a faction of the Rangers, though 'ranger' is already taken in Angband).

[AnonymousHero]

It doesn't matter. Click on "dos350", Click "User Lists" and finally click "Add to Ignore List". You won't be missing anything.

[Shockbolt]

can someone translate that first part into understandable english please

It has nothing to do being an atheist or not, these creatures simply don't belong in Angband, that's why I suggested them to be replaced. I'm not the one calling the shots, but I'm pretty happy with them being replaced by more "appropriate" creatures

why change it lol, nn 4 athiest band or crying, nn 4 crying 2 tolkien either,

not 2 dis u or anything sorry but its good as it is!

[dos350]

why change it lol, nn 4 athiest band or crying, nn 4 crying 2 tolkien either,

not 2 dis u or anything sorry but its good as it is!

[Shockbolt]

If you choose to embrace mythical creatures under the religious wings then yes. What I put behind the meaning of the word religion in here, is Christianity or any other major religion out there today, represented by angels, cherubs and lastly spotted: Templar Knights. And I named them earth-religious for the sake of simplicity. In the same way we wouldn't want Muhammed running around in here, or a bunch of old indian gods for that matter.

Gorgons, Titans, Werewolves, Werebears, Colossus and whatnot that are represented in "ancient earth" religions and myths, these I wouldn't bother changing, as they blend well into the fantasy setting.

Nearly all (unique) creatures in Angband that are not Tolkien creation are from some religion, starting from Titans. What we are now doing is just removing major religion creatures. IIRC removal of Tiamat was because it is religious creature. Same with Cerberus.

Angels are just entire race that is religious so that doesn't feel like they should be there. BTW if we remove angels we should remove Pit Fiends as well. They don't feel "right" anyway in set where greater Balrogs should be the most powerul beings.

I wouldn't mind if we remove Knight Templars completely. They are after all quite boring creatures. Just boost Paladins a bit to compensate the loss of one step up creature of same set.