Teleport Level breaks game balance

[Napsterbater]

Maybe everyone else is more willing to consider using the random Teleport than I am?

I don't think I've ever died from tele unless the casting or using failed. I usually have plenty of tlev or deep descent for the times when the level is absolutely unsafe for me to be in.

[d_m]

I could imagine making teleport-level rarer and/or more expensive, and giving a very small timer to deep descent.

Nerfing single-turn escapes is something we'd have to try in a branch to see how playable it is.

[Magnate]

I could imagine making teleport-level rarer and/or more expensive, and giving a very small timer to deep descent.

Nerfing single-turn escapes is something we'd have to try in a branch to see how playable it is.

Except that a negligible number of people play branches so it would only really get proper testing once it was in a nightly ...

[buzzkill]

As much as I'm a proponent of making the game harder, I'd hate to see TL adopt a delay, even a single turn delay. I view it as a fail-safe escape and I think it works well in that capacity. It's just too readily available right now.

Now, deep decent, is another matter. It's (now) very nearly a carbon copy of TL (I liked it a lot better when it had WoR down functionality) and we don't need two of 'em. Since DD sells itself primarily as a way to get deep fast, rather than an escape, I wouldn't object to a delay being applied to it and/or making it a little more powerful.

[Derakon]

If you don't want Deep Descent to be used as an escape, you could simply make it drop you 200' or 500' or something instead of just 100'. That'd really make you hesitate before using it.

[buzzkill]

If you don't want Deep Descent to be used as an escape, you could simply make it drop you 200' or 500' or something instead of just 100'. That'd really make you hesitate before using it.

That's what I meant by "making it a little more powerful". 500' seems like a lot, but 250' might be good. Combine that with a slight dealy (maybe 5 turns) and it differentiates itself from TL, which is what I was shooting for.

[Napsterbater]

That's what I meant by "making it a little more powerful". 500' seems like a lot, but 250' might be good. Combine that with a slight dealy (maybe 5 turns) and it differentiates itself from TL, which is what I was shooting for.

Might want to half the stacks as well. 10 scrolls of DD isn't all that hard to find. That would be half the dungeon. Scum 2500' for stat pots then DD to 4900' for gear. Wait, that sounds like it might be fun.

[buzzkill]

Might want to half the stacks as well.

Duh. Stack size is inversely proportional to power .

[Antoine]

That's what I meant by "making it a little more powerful". 500' seems like a lot, but 250' might be good. Combine that with a slight delay (maybe 5 turns) and it differentiates itself from TL, which is what I was shooting for.

+1. So it ceases to be an escape, but becomes a better way of moving downward through the dungeon...

A.

[d_m]

+1. So it ceases to be an escape, but becomes a better way of moving downward through the dungeon...

A.

Right, or at least, it's more of an escape the way WoR is and not a (mostly) reliable single-turn escape like ?TL or destruction.

[jens]

If you don't want Deep Descent to be used as an escape, you could simply make it drop you 200' or 500' or something instead of just 100'. That'd really make you hesitate before using it.

Suggest to make it random. So you want to get 3 levels down, but afraid that you can't take 5 at once? So random wait for 2d3 turns, then jump down just as far as you had to wait :-)

[Max Stats]

If you don't want Deep Descent to be used as an escape, you could simply make it drop you 200' or 500' or something instead of just 100'. That'd really make you hesitate before using it.

There are times when I would love this!

[bulian]

I got an unusually large stack of TL from the BM very early in my current nightly game - 25. I've never seen stacks larger than the 3-10 range, which wasn't so bad, but 25 is too much.

Can the stats module be easily modified to look at BM and armorsmith store generation? It might be interesting to see how frequently some of the more "game breaking" items actually appear.

[Magnate]

Can the stats module be easily modified to look at BM and armorsmith store generation? It might be interesting to see how frequently some of the more "game breaking" items actually appear.

At the moment the stats code ignores the town completely - it just generates levels 1-100 over and over. It wouldn't be hard to write a separate function that recorded the stats from N runs of store_refresh() - but you'd have to be both able to code it and interested in shopping. If anyone does want to do that, I recommend making it a subopt to -mstats which writes a completely different db. So you run stats for dungeons or stores but not both.

[fizzix]

while we're on the topic of escapes. How about making _destruction as rare as _banish?