Frot (HT Paladin) DAR

[chknflyrice]

Patience and a lot of hoping and I finally got a GV.... and its a checkerboard.
It only took 92 DL to get there.

[chknflyrice]

@anyone that knows,

are there diminishing returns on speed? and if so where does it start?

[Derakon]

@anyone that knows,

are there diminishing returns on speed? and if so where does it start?

There are, and they start at +28 speed, or maybe +27, I forget. Nick went and moved the energy table so I can't find and link it. *shakes fist*

[chknflyrice]

OK sweet I was sitting at 37 speed but swapped a ring for +15 damage and it brought me right to +27.

[Nick]

There are, and they start at +28 speed, or maybe +27, I forget.

+27 is the first value that doesn't get you extra energy

Nick went and moved the energy table so I can't find and link it. *shakes fist*

To be fair, I moved pretty much everything

It's in game-world.c now.

[Derakon]

To be fair, I moved pretty much everything

It's in game-world.c now.

I guess that makes sense. Fine.

Anyway, here's the table.

const byte extract_energy[200] =
{
	/* Slow */     1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,
	/* Slow */     1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,
	/* Slow */     1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,
	/* Slow */     1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,
	/* Slow */     1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,
	/* Slow */     1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,
	/* S-50 */     1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,
	/* S-40 */     2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,
	/* S-30 */     2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,
	/* S-20 */     3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  4,  4,  4,  4,  4,
	/* S-10 */     5,  5,  5,  5,  6,  6,  7,  7,  8,  9,
	/* Norm */    10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19,
	/* F+10 */    20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29,
	/* F+20 */    30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 36, 37, 37,
	/* F+30 */    38, 38, 39, 39, 40, 40, 40, 41, 41, 41,
	/* F+40 */    42, 42, 42, 43, 43, 43, 44, 44, 44, 44,
	/* F+50 */    45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 46, 46, 46, 46, 46,
	/* F+60 */    47, 47, 47, 47, 47, 48, 48, 48, 48, 48,
	/* F+70 */    49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49,
	/* Fast */    49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49, 49,
};

So at normal speed, you get 10 energy/turn, at +1 speed, you get 11 (10% faster than normal), at +10 you get 20/turn (100% faster), at +20 you get 30 (200% faster), etc. You need 100 energy to take a turn, and most actions cost 100 energy to perform -- the most notable exception being firing a missile launcher when you have more than 1 shot/turn. Note the two 36s and then two 37s in the high 20s of speed.

[chknflyrice]

So unless you are getting a very large boost from just a couple of items... say ROS +15 and boots of Feanor..... its really not worth the slot.

[wobbly]

Bit deceptive. what you really want to know is how much speed to be able to take a round of hits & be able to heal & then escape or have a turn to deal damage.

[chknflyrice]

@Nick

Just downloaded the new patch with trap adjustments. More exciting to me atm than same old same old stuff. So DAR will be for that @.

Hitting a TON of trap doors.

On an unrelated note my 2 yo just pulled out my x, h, space bar, and ; keys.... flm its hard to type.

[chknflyrice]

Bit deceptive. what you really want to know is how much speed to be able to take a round of hits & be able to heal & then escape or have a turn to deal damage.

The only monster I'm worried about atm is Sauron and with haste I'm even with him in speed.

[Derakon]

Bit deceptive. what you really want to know is how much speed to be able to take a round of hits & be able to heal & then escape or have a turn to deal damage.

I mean, more speed does make you better at things -- the difference between +40 speed and +30 speed is getting about 10% more stuff done per unit of "real time", which means that fights won't last as long, monsters will have fewer opportunities to summon nasties, force you to use consumables, etc.

But yeah, speed starts to wane in comparison to other equipment benefits once monsters are no longer able to double-turn you.

[chknflyrice]

Like I said I'll take a hit of 10 speed for a +15 damage ring when base is still +27 and self haste making it 37. I'm still fast as f boi.

[chknflyrice]

Playing a hobbit rogue is terrifying. WOR got burned up and I'm -5 speed way OOD.

[chknflyrice]

@Nick or anyone that can help.

I'm not getting saves on the nightlies. Its showing my vanilla saves but after I save a game on the patch it just disappears. Makes it kinda hard to playtest.

[Nick]

@Nick or anyone that can help.

I'm not getting saves on the nightlies. Its showing my vanilla saves but after I save a game on the patch it just disappears. Makes it kinda hard to playtest.

That is odd. What operating system? If windows, are you using a complete new folder? There are some issues with the latest build, but I wouldn't have expected this to be one of them.