3.2.0, first win for me ever

[Kaze]

Finally, after all these years, I managed to make a character that didn't die to a stupid mistake or inebriation.

Admittably I took my sweet time scumming for things, but I've had my share of "it breathes _____, you die" things in the past so I wanted to make sure things were safe and snug this time. And it seemed to work.


Next challenge is probably trying to do the same thing while playing a "bit" more aggressively.

[Derakon]

You overvalued speed. Past +27 (or +28, I forget), speed starts giving you decreasing returns. I think going from +40 to +50 only increases your actions-per-game-tick by something like 5%, which is not really all that worthwhile. You had +33 speed when hasted without using those rings; you should have used some of those randart rings to patch up your stats and resist holes. Maragor and Turos would have given you two more immunities, ESP, and nexus and disenchantment resistance, for example, along with +5 to STR/CON and +7 to WIS.

But hey, you won, and that's what counts. Congrats!

(Now can we please remove the Permanence DSM ego?)

[Antoine]

(Now can we please remove the Permanence DSM ego?)

Heh, just suggested the same thing in another thread.

DSM of Speed should go as well.

A.

[Timo Pietilä]

Heh, just suggested the same thing in another thread.

DSM of Speed should go as well.

A.

Beat me in saying that. Permanence and speed feel overpowered. Resistance, dwarven and elvenkind are enough (and even elvenkind is stretching it a bit).

GreenDSM of Resistance is pretty much same as MHDSM, same with elvenkind already beats most artifacts, make that Chaos or BalanceDSM and you have armor which is hard to beat, which means those two types might already be overpowered as well.

Should we invent entirely new ego types for dragon armors? Basic4 single-resist DSMs of immunity? DSM of flight (small speed bonus, feather fall, maybe small DEX-bonus)?

[PowerDiver]

IMO the egos for TV_DRAG_ARMOR should be a subset of the egos for TV_HARD_ARMOR. I'm ambivalent about "of resistance", which seem like too much on balance DSM.

[will_asher]

Should we invent entirely new ego types for dragon armors? Basic4 single-resist DSMs of immunity? DSM of flight (small speed bonus, feather fall, maybe small DEX-bonus)?

I like these ideas. I was planning to think up some new DSM egos for DAJ, but hadn't gotten around to it yet. Here's my first two.

[Philip]

Heh. I was thinking of giving DSM's base immunity already, and making some of them get simple ego's, like resistance, even elvenkind maybe, then perhaps give Law and Chaos access only to resistance and rarely. Balance would get single resist or something, maybe still resistance. Power DSM? Already has anything mentioned except for stealth, so no ego's. MHDSM would probably get elvenkind without stealth. Infact the elvenkind would never get stealth on DSM, so maybe rename to "of extra resistance"?

[Derakon]

Power DSM got nerfed awhile back; it's missing blindness/nexus/nether. Bladeturner still gets everything though.

[Timo Pietilä]

Power DSM got nerfed awhile back; it's missing blindness/nexus/nether. Bladeturner still gets everything though.

Which is good. It was first too weak, then too strong, and now I think it is perfect. It basically is just combination of all DSM:s, and since there are none with blindness, nexus or nether resists that is what you get.

[Derakon]

So now that bronze dragons are out, does PDSM still have protection from confusion? I confess I haven't tried 3.2 at all yet. Too busy with other stuff...

[Timo Pietilä]

So now that bronze dragons are out, does PDSM still have protection from confusion? I confess I haven't tried 3.2 at all yet. Too busy with other stuff...

3.2 bronze dragons are still here. 3.3 they are gone, I guess (have not tried that either).

[pampl]

I think he means the nightlies, where they (and Bronze DSM) are gone. It looks like PDSM still resists CONFU anyway though.

[Derakon]

If PDSM loses confusion protection, then may be it should be a bit more common (without changing the rarity of Bladeturner, of course). It's already the case that PDSM has trouble competing with most artifact armors.

Of course, ego PDSM would be...problematic.

[Timo Pietilä]

If PDSM loses confusion protection, then may be it should be a bit more common (without changing the rarity of Bladeturner, of course). It's already the case that PDSM has trouble competing with most artifact armors.

Of course, ego PDSM would be...problematic.

In old days Balance and Chaos DSM:s used to be endgame quality items, because they provided confusion immunity (or resist, depends which era of ever changing chaos resist you compare to) & chaos & disenchantment and in case of balance sound & shards too.

Balance DSM is particular was a great find. Now it doesn't compete with most artifact armors, because getting confusion resist is so important.

If you think which armors DSM:s need to compete with:

Thorin, which everybody uses because it still doesn't have competition

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Isildur: base4, confusion, nexus & Trickery/Elessar
Rohirrim: Base4, confusion & Trickery/Elessar
Caspanion: INT, WIS, CON, confusion, poison & Crown of Magi/Amrod/Amras
Celeborn: base4, disenchantment, dark, great activation, +4 STR & something with conf.

Point is that in order to compete in that crowd, you need to have hole either disenchantment resistance (Isildur, Rohirrim, Caspanion) or.... can't think a hole which makes chaos/balanceDSM better than Celeborn in these cases.

Because disenchantment isn't vital resistance, is relatively easily to patch with temporary swap and current development has made it even less important, there really isn't competition which is better confusion or disenchantment. Also lack of base4 makes high-level DSM:s difficult to use.

PDSM is a bit different case, because it gives much more than those two other high-level DSM:s. However it still doesn't give stat-bonuses or anything else than resists, so it still is in weak side of the scale.