YAWP: fast HE rogue

[bulian]

Been trying to figure out how quickly it is possible to win. Getting to DL20 can take >100k turns by exploring levels looking for stairs, but continuous stair scumming can significantly reduce that. Also, since progressing through the game can be more about getting good items and less about killing lots of monsters, a rogue seems to be the ideal class due to high stealth, but more importantly, infinite treasure detection. This attempt was successful in 165k game turns.

More details can be found in the ladder post here: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10881 Ignore the first comment, as I accidentally overwrote an earlier warrior character who didn't make it but found a nifty early drop.

Edit: copy paste error on link fixed

[Derakon]

Er, you appear to have linked to a dead ToME character...

[Timo Pietilä]

Er, you appear to have linked to a dead ToME character...

Looks like it should have been http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10881

That's vanilla HiElf Rogue winner with 165107 turns.

[bulian]

Thanks timo. Sorry that was a bad copy/paste job on my part. I fixed the original post.

[bulian]

Another attempt, this time with cheat option A enabled, which shows a list of OOD items, ego items, and artifacts that are created upon level creation.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10929

87k turns. Very lucky (or sufficient scumming) with early speed items. I don't think I could make too much more of an improvement over this.

[dos350]

you are a legend of great honor, i am a novice stair scummer compared to this, i stair scummed my way to my first and only winner recently on a high elf warrior and i still took millions of turns! good one!! ee

[buzzkill]

you are a legend of great honor, i am a novice stair scummer compared to this, i stair scummed my way to my first and only winner recently on a high elf warrior and i still took millions of turns! good one!! ee

OMG! This is even more impressive than your win. Good job to both of you!

[PowerDiver]

Another attempt, this time with cheat option A enabled, which shows a list of OOD items, ego items, and artifacts that are created upon level creation.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10929

87k turns. Very lucky (or sufficient scumming) with early speed items. I don't think I could make too much more of an improvement over this.

Take a look at the ultimate diving win

Less than 86k turns without ever taking stairs upwards, but with small levels.

[Bostock]

I have absolutely no feel for NPPAngband... would that have been harder, or easier, to do in Vanilla?

[PowerDiver]

I have absolutely no feel for NPPAngband... would that have been harder, or easier, to do in Vanilla?

Monsters are tougher in NPP. Randarts are different, but I don't know which game is more likely to produce something ridiculously overpowered. What made it possible was a setting for always producing small levels, which is not in V. I think that in addition to the area being small, there are other diffs such as monster detection range decrease, but I am not sure and do not remember any details.

[bulian]

you are a legend of great honor, i am a novice stair scummer compared to this, i stair scummed my way to my first and only winner recently on a high elf warrior and i still took millions of turns! good one!! ee

Congrats on your win. I would consider stair scumming the easiest way to play the game though, not very legendary.

Take a look at the ultimate diving win

Less than 86k turns without ever taking stairs upwards, but with small levels.

Very amazing. Nearly twice as fast and without using exploits.

Randarts are different, but I don't know which game is more likely to produce something ridiculously overpowered.

The variability with randarts is why I did both games with standarts. As I mentioned in another thread, playing this way wasn't very fun, so I wouldn't recommend it.

I've since won a randart ironman game, which was surprisingly easy. Maybe I'll try an artifactless game (not ironman artifactless) next after I do the competition character. Playing the ironman game took a lot of RL time, and I don't really have the patience for slow level clearing games. Too many "uninteresting" or "quiet, peaceful" levels. Other challenge suggestions are welcome.

[dos350]

bump, for justice~

[Max Stats]

bump, for justice~

But pray for peace.

[PowerDiver]

I've since won a randart ironman game, which was surprisingly easy. Maybe I'll try an artifactless game (not ironman artifactless) next after I do the competition character. Playing the ironman game took a lot of RL time, and I don't really have the patience for slow level clearing games. Too many "uninteresting" or "quiet, peaceful" levels. Other challenge suggestions are welcome.

It is possible to dive playing ironman. For example, see http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthr...=ferric+diving That was 3.1. It would probably be easier now, unless money is now too short at the start. Just tweak the starting money or equipment if necessary.